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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    What really makes it bad is that the drug companies so aggressively "educate" doctors and clinics on THEIR brand, and incentivize them to push THEIR product.....

    So, yeah, maybe a pharmacist who really cares.
    The major perks and incentives that pharmaceutical companies used to offer doctors (and some pharmacists) have pretty much stopped because of some huge criminal and civil settlements. It used to be a major problem, up until the late 90s, but then diminished and is now very limited and strictly controlled, in some states more rigorously than others. Doctors are still paid for their time when they participate in clinical trials, and there are obviously many, many more clinical trials for the more expensive prescription branded products that still have patent protection. Clinical trials are being better controlled now also. It used to be possible to hide negative trial results but that is no longer allowed. All results must be posted, usually on ClinicalTrilas.gov or also on some drug companies' websites.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον∑
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    • #17
      Originally posted by robrecht View Post
      The major perks and incentives that pharmaceutical companies used to offer doctors (and some pharmacists) have pretty much stopped because of some huge criminal and civil settlements. It used to be a major problem, up until the late 90s, but then diminished and is now very limited and strictly controlled, in some states more rigorously than others. Doctors are still paid for their time when they participate in clinical trials, and there are obviously many, many more clinical trials for the more expensive prescription branded products that still have patent protection. Clinical trials are being better controlled now also. It used to be possible to hide negative trial results but that is no longer allowed. All results must be posted, usually on ClinicalTrilas.gov or also on some drug companies' websites.
      Yeah, I thought about that as I typed it... I don't see NEAR the "pharmaceutical rep" stuff I used to see.

      AND, the two clinical trials my wife was invited to be part of when she was diagnosed with cancer were just WAY too impractical for her to do. They paid her parking, or something like that, but she would have had to make a visit every week to downtown Houston at her own expense, taking a day off work each week, and the "drug" she would be trying wasn't even promising to do that much for her cancer -- IF she received the drug and not the placebo.

      Good points!
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Hi CP!!!! Here's a quick run down of the common over the counter pain relievers:

        NSAIDS or Non Steroidal Anti-Inflammatories:
        Aspirin: (Branded under St Joseph, Bayer) A Standard Pain Dose is Two 325 mg pills. If you take this pain reliever and are on one 81 mg dose, forego the 81 mg dose.
        May take with Tylenol. Do not take with any other NSAID due to the risk of stomach bleeding. Do not take on an Empty Stomach, and Do not take in the presence of severe heartburn. May take with Milk.

        Ibuprofen: Common Brand Names- Motrin, Advil. Dosing instructions take 1 200 mg pill every 4-6 hours. May take 2, 200 mg pills if 1 is not effective. Max Daily dose is 4 200 mg pills per Dr.s instructions every 8 hours or three times per day. Do not take on an empty stomach. Do not combine with any other NSAIDS. May take with Tylenol. Higher Doses can cause stomach bleeding and kidney problems.

        Naproxen Sodium; Naprosyn; Naproxen: Common Brand- Aleve: Dose 1 220 mg Pill. May Take 1 more 220 mg pill. Not to exceed 2 pills in 12 hours or 3 in 24 hours from all sources. May not be combined with any other NSAIDS. May take with Tylenol.
        Highest risk of Stomach Upset. May Cause Drowsiness.

        Common Side Effects of all NSAIDS are bleeding and clotting disorders especially in those using warfarin or heparin or with another known blood disorder , easy bruising, rebound pain (with extended use) stomach bleeds and kidney problems. Do not combine with White Willow Bark.

        Anti-pyretics:
        Acetaminophen: Common Brand Names: Tylenol. Normal Adult Dose should not exceed between 3,000 mg per day or the absolute limit of 4,000 mg per day. Please check with your doctor to determine the absolute limit of tylenol. Your individual dose may be the absolute limit, the standard limit or lower if liver damage or alcohol use is present. Do not combine with alcohol and check other drugs for acetaminophen and the strength. Common sources include prescription pain killers and cold medicines.
        Acetaminophen may be safely combined with NSAIDS. Acetaminophen is not likely to produce side effects except in the onset of liver damage or a severe allergic reaction.
        A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
        George Bernard Shaw

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        • #19
          How interesting is that there is no mention of "natural" pain relievers so far. I wonder why, did most readers try them and found them unsafe or wanting?
          The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

          [T]he truth Iím after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -ó Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
            How interesting is that there is no mention of "natural" pain relievers so far. I wonder why, did most readers try them and found them unsafe or wanting?
            When my head hurts, I whack my thumb with a hammer --- I totally forget my head hurts.

            Is THAT what you're talking about?
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
              How interesting is that there is no mention of "natural" pain relievers so far. I wonder why, did most readers try them and found them unsafe or wanting?
              I mentioned herbal remedies but only from the perspective of safey and the danger of interaction with OTC and prescription drugs. My wife does herbs; I don't usually, but every one in a while I'm tempted to chew on some tree bark. Does that count?
              βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον∑
              ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

              אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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              • #22
                It is often best to figure out what is causing the pain and discontinue it. For example, poor posture can cause backaches. The solution should not be just to grab the pain bottle. Rather maintain good posture. Another example is to find a way to handle your stresses better, such as meditation.
                The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                [T]he truth Iím after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -ó Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                  It is often best to figure out what is causing the pain and discontinue it. For example, poor posture can cause backaches. The solution should not be just to grab the pain bottle. Rather maintain good posture. Another example is to find a way to handle your stresses better, such as meditation.
                  You realize that if a person has intense pain from say....breaking a bone, or being pregnant, they cannot simply "make the cause" go away and sometimes the natural remedy isn't enough.
                  Also food for though, if a person is having a heart attack, you give them aspirin, you can't make the heart attack go away. So.....ummm calm the crazy down a notch or two.

                  And I'm one of the twebbers who uses LOTS of "all-natural/organic" stuff.
                  A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                  George Bernard Shaw

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
                    You realize that if a person has intense pain from say....breaking a bone ...
                    "Doctor, doctor! I broke my arm, in two places!"

                    Stay out of those places.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
                      You realize that if a person has intense pain from say....breaking a bone, or being pregnant, they cannot simply "make the cause" go away and sometimes the natural remedy isn't enough.
                      Also food for though, if a person is having a heart attack, you give them aspirin, you can't make the heart attack go away. So.....ummm calm the crazy down a notch or two.

                      And I'm one of the twebbers who uses LOTS of "all-natural/organic" stuff.
                      I am sure he realizes that and is not crazy. He merely said that it is often best to figure out what is causing the pain and discontinue it. That is wise advice. I had chronic sinus headaches for years and usually just accepted them after having tried many different things prescribed by various specialists. I took allergy shots for a couple of years, 'though I only have very mild allergies, many courses of antibiotics and other analgesics and anti-inflammatories, one guy wanted me to have sinus surgery, but two other surgeons said there was absolutely no reason for surgery. Eventually one surgeon told me that some 60% (or higher, can't remember) of sinus headaches are actually caused by neck and spine problems so he sent me to a physical therapist and it seems that the ultimate cause was an injury to my upper back caused by stupidly dinving off an Olympic high dive platform when I was a fearless kid in Munich. The muscle spasms eventually resulted in permanently tight muscles around my upper spine and neck, which over the years shrank and became extraordinarily tight. As these tight muscles were stretched in physicial therapy, my sinus headaches went away.
                      βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον∑
                      ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

                      אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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                      • #26
                        I know from experience (as HR / IT Director) that a lot of chronic headaches and neckaches can be minimized or "healed" by repositioning one's computer monitor at work. I've seem people stack books under their monitor to try to get them up "high enough", and don't understand that they're creating a source of pain for themselves. Somebody who works at a computer all day needs to have the screen at the right height AND distance. Something else I have recommended is "computer glasses" for those who wear bifocals or trifocals -- a cheap pair of single focus glasses to be worn at the desk, rather than "cocking your head" to look through the proper (often very narrow) "window" of your glasses that allow you to see 18" to 24" away.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                          I am sure he realizes that and is not crazy. He merely said that it is often best to figure out what is causing the pain and discontinue it. That is wise advice.
                          No really, read his other threads and you'll understand why I pointed that out.....
                          A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                          George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
                            "Doctor, doctor! I broke my arm, in two places!"

                            Stay out of those places.
                            A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                            George Bernard Shaw

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                              I mentioned herbal remedies but only from the perspective of safey and the danger of interaction with OTC and prescription drugs. My wife does herbs; I don't usually, but every one in a while I'm tempted to chew on some tree bark. Does that count?
                              What herbs are there for painkillers, and do they deal with muscle spasms/tension headaches? (Already familiar with bengay, tiger balm, other menthol rubs.)
                              I am become death...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
                                No really, read his other threads and you'll understand why I pointed that out.....
                                You should list all the "other threads" for the benefit of the readers of this thread. It seems as though you fear my contaminating their minds. I wish I know why you are so antagonistic.
                                The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                                [T]he truth Iím after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -ó Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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