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  • GoBahnsen
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    First the Paleo Diet is not true diet of humans and our immediate ancestors of Africa. I will provide some references, but the short version is: From analyzing bone and teeth of our ancestors , roughly their diet was mostly meat, including fish, and wild whole grains of the African Savannah,. Foraged (10 - 20%) wild fruit, tubers, and insects made up the balance. Days without meat were common, therefore a periodic fasting was a part of their life style. Our relatives the Neanderthals did have a diet of 80 to 90% Big game meat. More later on Paleo Diet.
    I recently had my bones and teeth analyzed and they were able to find the sugar frosted flakes I ate when I was younger. My teeth showed that I had consumed wild berries from the pacific northwest somewhere, but they were unable to pin point exactly where. Apparently I had some big game meat as well, but not from Africa.

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
    I should have linked to the Mayo Clinic website http://www.mayoclinic.org/mediterran...t/art-20047801
    Over time this has been the basic model of my diet. Except eliminating sugar. Notice a lack of potatoes and corn in the Mediterranean Diet.

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  • Truthseeker
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    Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
    Low carb diets are good. Some kinds of fat are healthy; more calories should be from fats than carbs. Also need plenty of protein.
    I should have linked to the Mayo Clinic website http://www.mayoclinic.org/mediterran...t/art-20047801

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  • Catholicity
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    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
    https://www.google.ca/#q=brown+rice+toxic




    I went on the Keto diet a while back (high fat, low carbs) and I had to force myself to eat more than a thousand calories a day.

    One reason for that is because of what a "keto" diet can do. If its not balanced, it over produces ketones, which are a sign of starvation and muscle wasting. It overloads the kidneys and causes early signs of renal failure. Modified forms are used in patients with epilepsy but they are NOT reccommended for the general public as they are carefully monitored by a team of physicians and dieticians.

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  • Darth Executor
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    Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
    but if you actually need to get healthy, exercise is the first individual priority for beating the flabbening effects of over-civilization.
    Unless you plan on pursuing a physical activity seriously, exercise will do little for you. A half hour of walking a day is probably enough for most people. Diet is and should be the first priority. There are only so many calories you can burn.

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  • Epoetker
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    That sounds like the best take on it, shunya. All in all, diets are good as a proxy for shared social interests or participation in the latest fads, but if you actually need to get healthy, exercise is the first individual priority for beating the flabbening effects of over-civilization. (Your relative skill and strength level may require you to exercise alone, but never diet alone, if only for the fact that shared misery is the only defensible type.)

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by Darth Executor;1966 China has one of the lowest obesity rates in the world. It's down there with starving Africans/South Asians.
    [url
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2228rank.html[/url]
    I wouldn't be surprised if Asian rice-rich diets made them better able to handle the carbpocalypse.
    The problem is actually Childhood obesity in China. Sorry I did not make this clear

    [cite = http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1079476/] China used to be known for her slender people; I never saw a fat person in China until very recently.2 Now China is fighting obesity, especially childhood obesity, just like the rest of the world. According to the latest statistics from China, the proportion of obesity among children under the age of 15 increased from 15% in 1982 to 27% today.3 Among the predisposing factors for increasing prevalence of childhood obesity in China, fast food and physical inactivity are the two most important. Because of the efficient advertisements of such fast food giants in the United States as McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken, Chinese children are devouring the American fast food faster than ever.2,4 All of the children in China recognize the image of Ronald McDonald, even though they might not be able to read English. [/cite]

    ~27% is roughly equivalent to the USA.

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

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  • shunyadragon
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    I found the reference to brown rice having a potential toxicity for Arsenic. I am going to research this more. One reference I did check showed a slightly higher levels in people who eat a lot of brown rice, bit was still low. More to follow.

    go with the flow the river knows. . . .

    Frank

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  • Jedidiah
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    My diet is food. It has gotten me through 72 years and I am still kicking. For me basic diet is meat, vegetables and bread. I don't follow any fad diets, though I am on high protein and moderate carbs.

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  • Darth Executor
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
    You will have to document your statement about brown rice being toxic???, because I have no references where this is so.
    https://www.google.ca/#q=brown+rice+toxic

    Primal humans of Africa did not have potatoes, white rice, sugar, or corn and they were not lacking of energy for their intensive life style of hunting and foraging for food. They did had have the tubers, whole wild grains, and meat and fish from the rivers, lakes and oceans.
    Humans can run on fat instead of carbs (though I can't say if that's what Africans did), though it's not as effective for short, intense bursts of activity. And human beings are actually very resistant to starvation. We can go for weeks without food and barely a drop in efficiency. There was a video I saw a while back of modern african hunters. They caught prey by chasing it until it dropped of exhaustion.

    The question here is what in reality was the Paleo-Diet.
    I find the justification for the Paleo-Diet spacious to begin with. Human evolution didn't stop 15 thousand years ago. Just because our ancestors ate X thousands of years ago doesn't mean X is still best for us now. Just look at what cheap American carbs did to Mexico.

    the problem of Diabetes is not only the disease itself, but the prevalence of disease within a population as well as obesity. The higher in white carbs the higher in Diabetes and obesity is universal.
    Well, high Diabetes rates is a result of high obesity rates, which is a result of gorging on thousands of calories' worth of carbs. But that's probably because people consume too many carbs instead of adding more light carbs (like vegetables) or fat (which is not bad for you if you stay away from processed fats or most vegetable oils).

    I went on the Keto diet a while back (high fat, low carbs) and I had to force myself to eat more than a thousand calories a day.

    When Chinese diets changed in the 1980s and 1990s the Diabetes and obesity increased to equivalent to the USA. Before it was less than 1% of the population. The change was in the higher consumption of white carbs and meat. When I moved there in 1999 there were about 6 fast food restaurants like MacDonald's, now there are tens of thousands.
    China has one of the lowest obesity rates in the world. It's down there with starving Africans/South Asians.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2228rank.html
    I wouldn't be surprised if Asian rice-rich diets made them better able to handle the carbpocalypse.
    Last edited by Darth Executor; 01-20-2014, 03:03 PM.

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  • Trout
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I think that is the main reason. That way you are with the latest fashion when it comes to eating.

    give me steak and potatoes.
    Exactly.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Trout View Post
    Why are any of you choosing to eat this way? Is it for good health? Many of my friends eat paleo but they do so to feed their narcissism.
    I think that is the main reason. That way you are with the latest fashion when it comes to eating.

    give me steak and potatoes.

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  • Trout
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    Why are any of you choosing to eat this way? Is it for good health? Many of my friends eat paleo but they do so to feed their narcissism.

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  • shunyadragon
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    One of questions recently understood better about the Paleo Diet is how did all these grains and good healthy veggie stuff got into the our Paleolithic ancestors. New research supports that the conclusion that they ate stomach contents of their herbivore prey. Now if you really want a Paleo Diet, well . . .

    http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/wha...vegetables.htm

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
    Is it not true that potato starch gets converted to sugar and hence causes blood sugar spikes (bad for just about everyone) eventually?
    Your claim is not correct and needs references to support it. The following is more accurate.

    [cite = http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/wha...egetables.htm] "When we think of root vegetables, we often think of potatoes, but potatoes are very high in starch, and have a high glycemic index (the only vegetable with a higher one is parsnips). This is another way of saying that the carbohydrate in potatoes is rapidly turned into sugar and absorbed into the blood. However, many root vegetables can be substituted for potatoes. Here are carb and fiber counts for various root vegetables which might be used instead of potatoes. (Other vegetables such as cauliflower can also be substituted, for an even lower carb count.)" [/cite]

    The glycemic index is the best measure of how a food is involved in the digestive process. The bottom line is potatoes are NOT originally a part of the Paleo Diet.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-20-2014, 01:13 PM.

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