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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

    I'd be happier sharing my thoughts on Hewitt, who gets sufficient space on WaPo to damn himself, but to his credit, proving that even a blind squirrel can sometimes find the nut, has been surprisingly rational on vaccinations. The loss of confidence Hewitt speaks of here is the direct result of an organized right fringe propaganda campaign in which Hewitt is himself complicit.

    Hewitt asks if Fauci should let the terrorists Hewitt is leading, win, a question that answers itself.

    Not least because Fauci is a national treasure with a history of service to the country spanning decades, leveraging science to cross all previous partisan divides. It was his influence that at last convinced Reagan to begin addressing the "gay plague."

    The only reason anyone is suggesting he should step aside is because he publicly disagreed with our twice-impeached national disgrace of no fixed ideology or political party, loosing upon him the wrath of a cult of personality that has already eaten conservatism whole and continues to pound nails into the coffin of what was in my youth a reliably moral mainstay of our society, evangelical Christianity.

    The last vaccine holdouts aren't holdouts because of antagonism toward Tony Fauci.

    They're holdouts because of their loyalty to Donald Trump.
    Fauci's wounds are almost all self-inflicted.

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  • Juvenal
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Your thoughts on Fauci?
    I'd be happier sharing my thoughts on Hewitt, who gets sufficient space on WaPo to damn himself, but to his credit, proving that even a blind squirrel can sometimes find the nut, has been surprisingly rational on vaccinations. The loss of confidence Hewitt speaks of here is the direct result of an organized right fringe propaganda campaign in which Hewitt is himself complicit.

    Hewitt asks if Fauci should let the terrorists Hewitt is leading, win, a question that answers itself.

    Not least because Fauci is a national treasure with a history of service to the country spanning decades, leveraging science to cross all previous partisan divides. It was his influence that at last convinced Reagan to begin addressing the "gay plague."

    The only reason anyone is suggesting he should step aside is because he publicly disagreed with our twice-impeached national disgrace of no fixed ideology or political party, loosing upon him the wrath of a cult of personality that has already eaten conservatism whole and continues to pound nails into the coffin of what was in my youth a reliably moral mainstay of our society, evangelical Christianity.

    The last vaccine holdouts aren't holdouts because of antagonism toward Tony Fauci.

    They're holdouts because of their loyalty to Donald Trump.

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  • NorrinRadd
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    Originally posted by CMD View Post
    It won't change anything. The people who think the CDC are an untrustworthy source of information aren't going to change their minds if Fauci leaves.

    You could get rid of literally every single person at the CDC and replace them all and the vast majority of these people would still not trust them if for no other reason than government = bad and wrong.
    I confess there is some truth to this.

    At this point, I'm not sure what would restore my trust -- not that my trust in the FDA was ever very high.

    But Lord Farkwad should definitely go, preferably dragged out by his nose hairs.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    He is too wishy washy and keeps changing his advice. Don't wear masks, wear masks. Vaccinated can go about life like before the pandemic. No, vaccinated people have to keep wearing masks.

    Plus is comes across as way too patronizing when he talks. His personality just turns me off.

    And I am pro-vaccine.
    His connections with the Wuhan lab and efforts to divert attention from it is also highly problematic.

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  • CMD
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    It won't change anything. The people who think the CDC are an untrustworthy source of information aren't going to change their minds if Fauci leaves.

    You could get rid of literally every single person at the CDC and replace them all and the vast majority of these people would still not trust them if for no other reason than government = bad and wrong.
    Last edited by CMD; 10-01-2021, 03:48 PM.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    But do you affirm the virgin birth?
    Isn't everyone a virgin when they are born?

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    He is too wishy washy and keeps changing his advice. Don't wear masks, wear masks. Vaccinated can go about life like before the pandemic. No, vaccinated people have to keep wearing masks.

    Plus is comes across as way too patronizing when he talks. His personality just turns me off.

    And I am pro-vaccine.
    But do you affirm the virgin birth?

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  • Sparko
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    He is too wishy washy and keeps changing his advice. Don't wear masks, wear masks. Vaccinated can go about life like before the pandemic. No, vaccinated people have to keep wearing masks.

    Plus is comes across as way too patronizing when he talks. His personality just turns me off.

    And I am pro-vaccine.

    Leave a comment:


  • Cow Poke
    started a topic Fauci pressed if he should 'step aside'

    Fauci pressed if he should 'step aside'

    Fauci pressed if he should 'step aside' as an 'impediment to public health': 'People won't listen to you'

    'A significant part of America now have lost confidence in you,' Hugh Hewitt told Fauci

    Dr. Anthony Fauci faced a tough grilling over whether or not he should step aside as his critics view him as a deterrent in the Biden administration's ongoing effort to vaccinate Americans.

    During Wednesday's appearance on Hugh Hewitt's radio show, Fauci was confronted by a list of COVID-era "controversies," including the pause of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the ivermectin debate, the avoidance of natural immunity as well as his "noble lie" discouraging Americans from wearing masks in the early months of the pandemic to prevent an N95 shortage.

    "I have lost confidence in the CDC and the FDA and I actually believe a lot of Americans, a significant part of America now have lost confidence in you, Dr. Fauci," Hewitt began. "Is there a point where you will say, 'I do more harm than good because people don't listen to me anymore,' and step aside?"

    "No. Absolutely, unequivocally no, Hugh. Sorry," Fauci reacted. "When you have an evolving situation and data are rapidly evolving in something that is unprecedented and unknown, you have to evolve with it and look at the data as it exists now and make to the best of your ability a decision, a recommendation, all the kinds of things that go into the evolution."

    Following Fauci's meandering answer, Hewitt persisted with his intense line of questioning by first acknowledging he "understands" why Fauci lied about the masks but also calling it "bad policy."

    "It's just a fact that Tony Fauci, not the guy I'm talking with but Tony Fauci- the person in people's minds, is now an impediment to public health because people won't listen to you," Hewitt said. "They actively reject what Tony Fauci says for reasons which are complicated… but can you accept that if that's just the fact, you ought to respond to it and say ‘Mr. President, I think my time is up as a successful and effective spokesperson?’"

    "You know, with all due respect… I just completely disagree with that premise because there are an awful lot of people who do listen, who do the right thing from a public health standpoint," Fauci responded. "So because there are a lot of people who have ideas of conspiracies and changing minds and flip-flopping, that's not a reason to step down. Not at all."

    The NIAID director recalled his adversarial relationship with activists 40 years ago during the AIDS epidemic how he "brought them into the dialogue" to support his ongoing presence in the Biden administration.

    "So the idea that people right now are not listening to what I'm saying, what I'm saying is the truth," Fauci said.

    "I actually agree," Hewitt interjected. "I got the booster, I'm Mr. Vaccine, I get the same kind of heat that you do, and what I'm saying though is there comes a point where it is simply a matter of fact that Tony Fauci in the era of social media is different than Tony Fauci of the beginning of HIV. And if a new face for the program developed, we would see an increase in vaccines and an increase in booster use. So if that data is presented to you that more people would get vaccinated if you left the scene, would you leave the scene?"

    Fauci flatly rejected Hewitt's "completely false narrative" that people aren't getting vaccinated because of him.

    "Are you kidding me, Hugh?" Fauci chuckled.

    "I'm trying to explain to you the truth," Hewitt shot back. "I got vaccinated because of you, but there is a large segment of the American people that doesn't trust you now and that can't be undone. So I want you to be able to speak to them. I know your heart, I know your public service, but if you're an obstacle to getting vaccination rates up, should you step aside?"

    Fauci insisted he's "not an obstacle to getting vaccination rates up," but Hewitt continued to press him, asking if he was presented "polling" would he reconsider.

    "So people are saying, 'I'm not getting the vaccine because Dr. Fauci is in the government.' Are you kidding me?" Fauci mocked.


    Your thoughts on Fauci?
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