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  • #16
    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

    I don't think that's accurate. I don't think he believes the variants were or are "caused" by the vaccines. I think it's fairly rudimentary knowledge even to laypeople that viri mutate, even in the absence of vaccines. I think his point is that the vaxes target the initial version, and *hasten*, not *cause*, development of variants, particularly of variants adapted to evade the vax.
    If he would limit himself to arguing that the unvaccinated are not to blame for new variants, that would be fine. But he seems to be trying to turn it around and blame the variants on the vaccinated, which is just wrong.

    To the extent that having people vaccinated brings about variants that are able to evade the vaccine, that is certainly better than not having a vaccine at all.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

      I don't think that's accurate. I don't think he believes the variants were or are "caused" by the vaccines. I think it's fairly rudimentary knowledge even to laypeople that viri mutate, even in the absence of vaccines. I think his point is that the vaxes target the initial version, and *hasten*, not *cause*, development of variants, particularly of variants adapted to evade the vax.
      That happens with all treatments and vaccines though. Which is why doctors are careful subscribing antibiotics and tell you to take them several days past when the infection is over, so as not to allow any hardy strains from proliferating. But if you stop using vaccines and drugs to stop such mutations, then you just let the disease spread uncontrolled. And even then the diseases will mutate on their own, as your body fights them off naturally but some mutations avoid your defenses and spread.

      So no, stopping vaccinations is not a good idea. And so far the vaccines for COVID have stopped all of the variations so far with remarkable effectiveness. The Delta variant came from India, where the virus has been spreading pretty much uncontrolled, so the vaccine had nothing to do with its origin.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

        That's probably the dumbest thing I have ever read.
        That is why you are not a scientist. Scientists have to study the actual way things work, not the layman's guess. Your approach (relying only on your "common sense") would never have allowed for Quantum Mechanics to become a discipline in Physics.

        Dr. Vanden Bossche is the main source I have for this
        Mass Vaccination in a Pandemic - Benefits versus Risks | McMillan Research
        https://www.bitchute.com/video/Th6pLHZGyicP/

        I have not heard a scientist counter this view but may you have a good discussion by another expert. However, your confirmation bias will discount any view that is against yours

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

          that is why you are not a scientist. Scientists have to study the actual way things work, not the layman's guess. Your approach (relying only on your "common sense") would never have allowed for quantum mechanics to become a discipline in physics.

          Dr. Vanden bossche is the main source i have for this
          mass vaccination in a pandemic - benefits versus risks | mcmillan research
          https://www.bitchute.com/video/th6plhzgyicp/

          i have not heard a scientist counter this view but may you have a good discussion by another expert. However, your confirmation bias will discount any view that is against yours

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

            Oh. this is the science that counters specialists in the field? That is why you are not very persuasive.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

              That happens with all treatments and vaccines though. Which is why doctors are careful subscribing antibiotics and tell you to take them several days past when the infection is over, so as not to allow any hardy strains from proliferating. But if you stop using vaccines and drugs to stop such mutations, then you just let the disease spread uncontrolled. And even then the diseases will mutate on their own, as your body fights them off naturally but some mutations avoid your defenses and spread.

              So no, stopping vaccinations is not a good idea. And so far the vaccines for COVID have stopped all of the variations so far with remarkable effectiveness. The Delta variant came from India, where the virus has been spreading pretty much uncontrolled, so the vaccine had nothing to do with its origin.
              His argument, as I understand it, is with the particular kinds of vaxes being used against Covid. They don't keep people from becoming infected or infectious.
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              Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                His argument, as I understand it, is with the particular kinds of vaxes being used against Covid. They don't keep people from becoming infected or infectious.
                They do actually, but like any vaccine, they are only as good as the person's immune system, so there can always be breakthrough infections if someone's immune system isn't working that great. But hopefully their immune system is partially primed to fight off the infection quickly without them ending up in the hospital.

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                • #23
                  Yeesh. Dr. Bossche sure paints a rosy picture.
                  Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                  Beige Federalist.

                  Nationalist Christian.

                  "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                  Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                  Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                  Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                  Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                  Justice for Matthew Perna!

                  Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    They do actually, but like any vaccine, they are only as good as the person's immune system, so there can always be breakthrough infections if someone's immune system isn't working that great. But hopefully their immune system is partially primed to fight off the infection quickly without them ending up in the hospital.
                    Us kids who grew up eating dirt and boogers and running around barefoot in the barnyard and swimming in duck ponds and sharing popsicles and sodas.... we good!!!
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      Us kids who grew up eating dirt and boogers and running around barefoot in the barnyard and swimming in duck ponds and sharing popsicles and sodas.... we good!!!
                      The five second rule.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                        Yeesh. Dr. Bossche sure paints a rosy picture.
                        He may not be the best source.

                        https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/co...vanden-bossche

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Machinist View Post

                          The five second rule.
                          I loved going the full count, and beating it at the very last second.

                          But I added a part --- if nobody's watching, the 5 second rule can be stretched.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            Us kids who grew up eating dirt and boogers and running around barefoot in the barnyard and swimming in duck ponds and sharing popsicles and sodas.... we good!!!
                            These days, I make do with kissing cats and dogs on the face and rubbing cats all over my face. In decades past... *sigh*... *shaking head ruefully*... for laughs I would kiss people of either sex on the mouth and in the process, swap chewing gum with them. The silliness of youth. Sheesh.
                            Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                            Beige Federalist.

                            Nationalist Christian.

                            "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                            Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                            Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                            Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                            Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                            Justice for Matthew Perna!

                            Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                              Thanks for pointing that out.

                              Considering both the factual content and the style of his rhetoric, I draw three conclusions:

                              -- Dr. Bossche is untrustworthy.

                              -- Dr. Bossche's critics are untrustworthy.

                              -- The best and safest course is to closely follow our own confirmation biases.
                              Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                              Beige Federalist.

                              Nationalist Christian.

                              "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                              Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                              Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                              Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                              Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                              Justice for Matthew Perna!

                              Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                                Thanks for pointing that out.

                                Considering both the factual content and the style of his rhetoric, I draw three conclusions:

                                -- Dr. Bossche is untrustworthy.

                                -- Dr. Bossche's critics are untrustworthy.

                                -- The best and safest course is to closely follow our own confirmation biases.
                                Or just not trust Stoic or his sources as credible.

                                I remember back in the day I was promoting the wuhan lab leak theory when it was still just a theory, and Stoic linked me to a Buzzfeed article assuring me it was just a wacky rightwing conspiracy theory.

                                Just so you know.

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