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WHO says deaths due to Covid grossly undercounted

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  • mikewhitney
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is now saying that two and up to three times as many people have died worldwide as a result of the Chinese coronavirus than have been reported. That should come as no surprise given how low the official number is in many heavily populated countries without any means of handling a pandemic.

    Interestingly, to arrive at this conclusion WHO is also including those who could not get treatment for other ailments.

    Source: Excess deaths due to pandemic much higher than reported COVID toll: WHO


    Up to three times more people have died due to the pandemic than indicated by the officially reported COVID deaths, the World Health Organization said Friday.

    So far, more than 3.4 million deaths worldwide have officially been attributed to COVID-19 since the disease first surfaced in China in late 2019.

    But according to a global health statistics report from the WHO, far more people have died that would otherwise not have, had it not been for the pandemic, either due to COVID or because they could not get treatment for other ailments.

    "Total deaths are at least two to three times higher than officially reported," Samira Asma, the WHO assistant director-general in charge of data, told reporters.

    In 2020, the report found there had been at least three million excess deaths due directly or indirectly to COVID-19, while the official number of COVID deaths was 1.8 million at the end of the year.

    Asked how many excess deaths could be attributed to the pandemic today, Asma said that "I think safely, about six to eight million deaths could be an estimate, with a cautionary note."

    The WHO was working with countries "to understand the true human toll of the pandemic so we can be better prepared for the next emergency," she said.

    The discrepancy is due to a number of factors, including lagging reporting on COVID deaths in a number of countries; the fact that many people early on died of COVID without being tested; and also that many were unable to get treatment for other diseases and conditions due to lockdown measures.

    "Excess mortality gives us a better picture, because it captures both of these direct and indirect effects," WHO data analyst William Msemburi told reporters.


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    The big problem (beyond trusting the corrupt WHO which is headed by a communist) is that the excess deaths are not caused by COVID-19 for people locked down. It is the worldwide governments who made the fatal decisions to lockdown people and to make it hard to get treatment in hospitals.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by JimboJSR View Post
    Not to change the subject, but you might want to choose your thread titles more carefully. It looks like the message is "WHO says deaths due to Covid grossly undercounted by rogue06" - ie. that WHO is in a dispute with rogue over his death tally...
    We do NOT talk about that

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Ronson View Post
    From your article: "Thankfully, reinfection looks to be pretty uncommon." I'm not going to fret about the exceptions to the rule.
    Yes, if you were infected only a few months ago, you're pretty safe.

    For someone to be reinfected, person has got some sort of immune deficiency. He must have produced antibodies in order to recover the first time, and those antibodies would prevent reinfection. If he somehow lost those antibodies in a couple of weeks, then the person is not normal. What are the odds of being such a person? 1 in a billion perhaps? Do you honestly sweat over things like that?
    No.

    I might sweat over losing immunity over the course of 8 months or more, though.

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  • JimboJSR
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    Not to change the subject, but you might want to choose your thread titles more carefully. It looks like the message is "WHO says deaths due to Covid grossly undercounted by rogue06" - ie. that WHO is in a dispute with rogue over his death tally...

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    Then the subject in Stoic's article caught a different strain the second time. And since vaccination doesn't anticipate mutation, being vaccinated wouldn't have helped him anyway.
    Which is why some folks have been saying that Covid shots will become like flu shots

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  • Ronson
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    It can if it mutates, which evidence shows it has.
    Then the subject in Stoic's article caught a different strain the second time. And since vaccination doesn't anticipate mutation, being vaccinated wouldn't have helped him anyway.

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  • Ronson
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post
    Yeah, getting infected twice in less than two months is almost impossible.
    From your article: "Thankfully, reinfection looks to be pretty uncommon." I'm not going to fret about the exceptions to the rule.

    For someone to be reinfected, person has got some sort of immune deficiency. He must have produced antibodies in order to recover the first time, and those antibodies would prevent reinfection. If he somehow lost those antibodies in a couple of weeks, then the person is not normal. What are the odds of being such a person? 1 in a billion perhaps? Do you honestly sweat over things like that?

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    That story is not believable. No one can contract a virus in October, recover, and then catch the same virus again in November. Covid isn't magic. It's a virus.
    It can if it mutates, which evidence shows it has.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    That story is not believable. No one can contract a virus in October, recover, and then catch the same virus again in November. Covid isn't magic. It's a virus. They all have certain characteristics, and our immune systems do as well.
    Yeah, getting infected twice in less than two months is almost impossible.


    The victim was either misdiagnosed one or both times, or the family was misinformed. Or Fox is reporting a bogus story (no unheard of).
    Sure.

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  • Ronson
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    Yes!

    So far, the evidence that a second bout of covid-19 can kill an otherwise healthy individual is purely anecdotal.
    That story is not believable. No one can contract a virus in October, recover, and then catch the same virus again in November. Covid isn't magic. It's a virus. They all have certain characteristics, and our immune systems do as well.

    The victim was either misdiagnosed one or both times, or the family was misinformed. Or Fox is reporting a bogus story (no unheard of).

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    When someone has had covid once already, and it wasn't even as severe as a bad cold, then there's not much fear about dealing with it again. I'll kick it's behind.
    Yes!

    So far, the evidence that a second bout of covid-19 can kill an otherwise healthy individual is purely anecdotal.

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  • Ronson
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    Cool. I expect there will be no shortage of volunteers.
    When someone has had covid once already, and it wasn't even as severe as a bad cold, then there's not much fear about dealing with it again. I'll kick it's behind.

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  • Stoic
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    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    I volunteer.
    Cool. I expect there will be no shortage of volunteers.

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  • Ronson
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    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    True. Of course, Rand Paul had it over a year ago.

    Still, it's good to have some people test the hypothesis that those who have already had it are safe. I'm glad we have some volunteers.
    I volunteer.

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  • mikewhitney
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Sounds like just another WHO exaggeration in order to pump up their importance and get more funding because of fear.

    IF the deaths are that much more than reported, then I blame the WHO. They downplayed the virus in the beginning, and tried to stop countries from banning travel. They are in China's pocket and contributed to the spread of COVID and did nothing to stem the pandemic.
    Crap. Why are you pushing your conspiracy theories on us?

    Those are all nonsense. There is no reason to look at stuff that is not promulgated by Fauci and the mainstream media. How could those media fail to to research everything and tell us the latest information? They are the only ones who can find important information. Other witnesses have no relevance in sharing the truth.

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