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    The deaths and severity of covid-19 seemed to increase after taking the experimental Pfizer covid shots. This is based on official data that was being anaylzed.

    This reminds me of the special concern that young people should not generally be vaccinated, since they are not widely affected by the novel coronavirus.


    Source: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/297051



    Vaccination in Israel: Challenging mortality figures?
    Analysis by infectious disease specialist claims mismatch between data published by authorities and reality on the ground.


    Mordechai Sones , Feb 18 , 2021 8:47 AM
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    'Science will win': Pfizer

    A front-page article appeared in the FranceSoir newspaper about findings on the Nakim website regarding what some experts are calling "the high mortality caused by the vaccine."

    The paper interviews Aix-Marseille University Faculty of Medicine Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases Unit's Dr. Hervé Seligmann and engineer Haim Yativ about their research and data analysis. They claim that Pfizer's shot causes "mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly, when the documented mortality from coronavirus is in the vicinity of the vaccine dose, thus adding greater mortality from heart attack, stroke, etc."

    Dr Hervé Seligmann works at the Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases Research Unit, Faculty of Medicine, Aix-Marseille University, Marseille, France. He is of Israeli-Luxembourg nationality. He has a B. Sc. In Biology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and has written over 100 scientific publications.

    FranceSoir writes that they follow publications, data analyzes, and feedback from various countries on vaccination, and have therefore taken an interest in the Nakim article, asking to interview them in order to understand their analysis and its limitations.

    The authors of the article declare they have no conflicts or interests other than having children in Israel.

    After a presentation, the authors discussed their data analysis, the validations carried out, limitations, and above all, their conclusions that they compare with data received via a Health Ministry Freedom of Information Act request.

    Their findings are:

    * There is a mismatch between the data published by the authorities and the reality on the ground.
    * They have three sources of information, besides the emails and adverse event reports they receive through the Internet. These three sources are Israeli news site Ynet, the Israeli Health Ministry database, and the U.S. federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.
    * In January 2021, there were 3,000 records of vaccine adverse events, including 2,900 for mRNA vaccines.
    * Compared to other years, mortality is 40 times higher.
    * On February 11, a Ynet article presented data related to vaccination. The authors of the Nakim article claim to have debunked this analysis based on data published by Ynet itself: “We took the data by looking at mortality during the vaccination period, which spans 5 weeks. * By analyzing these data, we arrived at startling figures that attribute significant mortality to the vaccine."
    * The authors say “vaccinations have caused more deaths than the coronavirus would have caused during the same period."
    * Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann declare that for them, "this is a new Holocaust," in face of Israeli authority pressure to vaccinate citizens.

    They also invite specialists to complete their analyses, and intend to pursue legal follow-up to their discovery. The Health Ministry was not available for comment on a FranceSoir query regarding the findings.

    The authors also deplored "the fact of not being able to communicate on this vital information" to their fellow citizens.

    On their site, Nakim writes: "On February 11, 2021, Ynet (the most known Israeli News website) published a confused and confusing article entitled 'Vaccination efficiency data in Israel, and its rapid effects on the young'.

    "Our reanalyses of these data explain why during the massive vaccination project initiated mid-December 2020 during a confinement, daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases failed to decrease as they do during confinements, and, more importantly, why numbers of serious, critical, and death cases increased during that period that covered at least one month. From mid-December to mid-February (two months), 2,337 among all Israeli 5,351 official COVID-deaths occurred. Our analyses indicate orders of magnitude increases in deaths rates during the 5-week long vaccination process, as compared to the unvaccinated and those after completing the vaccination process. Presumably, asymptomatic cases before vaccination, and those infected shortly after the 1st dose, tend to develop graver symptoms than those unvaccinated.

    "The Ynet article is organized in an exciting way and uses data provided in an erroneous way by the Ministry of Health. It is unclear whether this was intentional to prove the vaccine's efficiency or if this was done erroneously because the provided data were misunderstood. Note that in Israel, all vaccines are from Pfizer.

    "The data in the table, rather than indicating the vaccine efficacy, indicate the vaccine's adverse effects," the authors conclude.

    Sources:

    http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/v...c.php?t=270812

    https://www.francesoir.fr/videos-deb...rpellent-video

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    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
    The deaths and severity of covid-19 seemed to increase after taking the experimental Pfizer covid shots. This is based on official data that was being anaylzed.

    This reminds me of the special concern that young people should not generally be vaccinated, since they are not widely affected by the novel coronavirus.
    Israel is getting good results and hospital admissions and the daily deaths are falling.
    The UK is beginning to see reductions in admissions and deaths but that is due to the lockdown here. We will wait to mid March for Vaccination results.

    But your link is reporting about 'vaccinations upon the young'. We are not ready to vaccinate our infants and juniors at all.... we are still researching for any effect upon our youth (over 12 yrs) it seems.

    Google offered this ...
    Pfizer and Moderna are testing their vaccines on children 12 and older and hope to have results by the summer. As adults at high risk for Covid-19 line up to be immunized against the coronavirus, many parents want to know: When will my child get a vaccine?12 Feb 2021

    And.....
    https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n338
    Covid-19: Israel sees new infections plummet following vaccination....
    Yiou would need to copy/past the articles below in to google. OK?
    Vaccines are curbing COVID: Data from Israel show drop in ...www.nature.com › news › article
    5 Feb 2021 — Roughly 90% of older people in Israel have been vaccinated against ... about 33,000 unvaccinated people who reported their results using a ...

    Israel Opens Up as Study Shows Pfizer Vaccine Works | Voice ...www.voanews.com › episode › israel-opens-study-sho...
    1 day ago — Israel, which leads the world in its percentage of the population vaccinated, is sharing its medical results with Pfizer. The good news comes as ...

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    • #3
      you seemed to have focused on vaccines for the young people. However, they are not generally susceptible to severe covid symptoms. Thus the covid shots only offer to harm them without giving them significant benefit.

      worse yet, you miss the fact the the official evidence shows a higher rate of death due of those vaccinated than before experimental covid shots were given. You focused on the overstated infection rates -- which in the US and UK tests were 97% false positives. Plus, there is no indication if the cycle counts on the RT-PCR remained the same before December and from December onward. the WHO was recommending a change in the RT-PCR tests due to the decrease of actual covid-19 cases. Leaving the test test the same would just mean that the false positives would become more prominent. So if we tested 100k people as positive in tests in 2020, 97% of those people would not actually be infectious or affected. So WHO seems to want to reduce the false positives maybe to reverse things so that only 3% would be false positives. (But it depends on what the test labs and RT-PCR manufacturers actually do.)

      The results given are
      Data of 503,875 individuals (mean age 59·7 years SD=14·7, 47·8% males) were analysed, of whom 351,897 had 13-24 days of follow-up. The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection was 0·57% (n=2484) during days 1-12 and 0·27% (n=614) in days 13-24. A 51·4% relative risk reduction (RRR) was calculated in weighted-average daily incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection from 43·41-per-100,000(SE=12·07) in days 1-12 to 21·08-per-100,000(SE=6·16) in days 13-24 following immunization
      THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE FIRST DOSE OF BNT162b2 VACCINE IN REDUCING SARS-COV-2 INFECTION 13-24 DAYS AFTER IMMUNIZATION: REAL-WORLD EVIDENCE
      https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...612v1.full.pdf

      A so-called SARS infection just refers to a positive RT-PCR test. I did not see where they compare the changes in positive cases of people given the experimental shots and those who were not. So there is no baseline decrease rate of positive tests (of unvaccinated people) to see if there is a difference in the decline rate of the people who got the experimental shots. The study results may simply be meaningless. Maybe they can confirm whether the cycles counts on the RT-PCR tests have remained the same.

      It will be interesting to see if any study explains the increase in deaths since the covid shot program started in Israel.
      Last edited by mikewhitney; 02-24-2021, 02:04 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        you seemed to have focused on vaccines for the young people. However, they are not generally susceptible to severe covid symptoms. Thus the covid shots only offer to harm them without giving them significant benefit.
        That is why I focused upon the young. Trials are being undertaken before any decisions will be made about infants, juniors or youths.

        worse yet, you miss the fact the the official evidence shows a higher rate of death due of those vaccinated than before experimental covid shots were given. You focused on the overstated infection rates -- which in the US and UK tests were 97% false positives. Plus, there is no indication if the cycle counts on the RT-PCR remained the same before December and from December onward. the WHO was recommending a change in the RT-PCR tests due to the decrease of actual covid-19 cases. Leaving the test test the same would just mean that the false positives would become more prominent. So if we tested 100k people as positive in tests in 2020, 97% of those people would not actually be infectious or affected. So WHO seems to want to reduce the false positives maybe to reverse things so that only 3% would be false positives. (But it depends on what the test labs and RT-PCR manufacturers actually do.)
        Just speaking for myself, Mike, I take little interest in Covid tests, I'm more interested in watching to see Hospital Admissions and Daily deaths reducing, which they have both started to fall away. What the admissions and deaths/p/d will look like by mid March is my main focus.

        A so-called SARS infection just refers to a positive RT-PCR test. I did not see where they compare the changes in positive cases of people given the experimental shots and those who were not. So there is no baseline decrease rate of positive tests (of unvaccinated people) to see if there is a difference in the decline rate of the people who got the experimental shots. The study results may simply be meaningless. Maybe they can confirm whether the cycles counts on the RT-PCR tests have remained the same.
        Again...... I look to see how Hospital Admissions and Deaths/p/d will alter in the next three weeks. If these two stats diminish then we can get to thinking about kick-starting our country again.

        It will be interesting to see if any study explains the increase in deaths since the covid shot program started in Israel.
        Israel is looking pretty good, isn't it?
        Again....It's all about Hospital admissions and Deaths/p/d, Mike.

        I won't be able to post much until mid March

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