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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    Because politics is more important than truth or accuracy. Each side has a greater interest in their narrative than solving the problem, or even accurately reporting the science.

    Look at how conflicted Biden is in calling for our schools to reopen when the science backs that - but the teachers unions say not so fast.
    Ah...... the schools.
    I don't think that we here (UK) are quite so strangled with political struggle (over Covid) as the US. Our Shadow Government is supporting Boris, with just the odd 'We could do this better but...' phrase here and there.

    Those schools. Juggling the dreadful financial crashes with Hospital stresses, Brexit plus our children's educations on top of that, PM Johnson has done EXACTLY the same thing by pushing for schools to re-open when he needed to keep them closed. On a Friday evening a few weeks ago he told England that schools would stay open, and on Saturday morning he told England that schools must stay closed. (Wales, Scotland and NI Ireland have their own leadership over Covid).

    It's just showing how horrid the whole juggling mess is at present.
    The last time that the UK left politics aside to support our leaders like this was when Churchill picked up the baton in WWII. We moan about Boris but the majority will support him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
      If you are infected, then you transmit it. I'm not sure how you separate the two. Do you also have one-sided coins?
      Feel free to let me know what part of this you don't understand: "Being vaccinated makes you unlikely to be symptomatic. And being asymptomatic makes you unlikely to spread the disease."

      The protection of the experimental covid shots only are said to protect from the worst symptoms of the virus, if Pifzer has even achieved that level of evidence. So you seem to be assuming much beyond what Pfizer claims.
      I'm going by more recent information.

      Worse yet. No one under 60 is typically liable to severe sickness or death from the virus.
      You are a veritable fount of misinformation. People with certain disabilities (such as Down Syndrome) are significantly more likely to become seriously ill or die with covid-19. Same for people with comorbidities.

      There is absolutely no need to try to protect your son by risking your own health with this covid shot. In taking the covid shot, you only, at best, are protecting yourself. This is really hard to comprehend but it is a fact.
      Go peddle your "facts" elsewhere.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Stoic View Post
        Feel free to let me know what part of this you don't understand: "Being vaccinated makes you unlikely to be symptomatic. And being asymptomatic makes you unlikely to spread the disease."


        I'm going by more recent information.


        You are a veritable fount of misinformation. People with certain disabilities (such as Down Syndrome) are significantly more likely to become seriously ill or die with covid-19. Same for people with comorbidities.


        Go peddle your "facts" elsewhere.
        i understand that you do not want actual information. You did not provide much of anything useful. Did you provide facts about the low rate of deaths among people below 60? No.

        Do lower death rates in Israel mean that the vaccinations reduce deaths? No. Death rates can change with other situations.

        Do population infection rate reductions mean anything? No. The test process for "cases" is generally giving 97% false positives.

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        • #34
          Several of my friends had the COVID19. Several of their symptoms were identical - fever, lack of appetite etc but they also had different ones...one developed double pneumonia, one had only tremors, one had breathing issues bad enough to go to the hospital for some days. They all agree on one thing...it was an awful feeling. I'm not sure how much of that was psychological of course.
          Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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          • #35
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            The test process for "cases" is generally giving 97% false positives.
            How is that being determined? What test is being used to verify that the positive result is a true positive?
            Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post

              How is that being determined? What test is being used to verify that the positive result is a true positive?
              The RT-PCR test is the prevalent system used to detect RNA material collected within swabbed in people's nasal cavities.

              The creator of this test says the test is not designed to diagnose anything. The PCR only is for research purposes.

              This site https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/ analyzes the process published a year ago that was recommended for checking for the novel virus.

              The easiest thing to pick out of the study is:
              It should be noted that there is no mention anywhere in the Corman-Drosten paper of a test being positive or negative, or indeed what defines a positive or negative result. These types of virological diagnostic tests must be based on a SOP, including a validated and fixed number of PCR cycles (Ct value) after which a sample is deemed positive or negative. The maximum reasonably reliable Ct value is 30 cycles. Above a Ct of 35 cycles, rapidly increasing numbers of false positives must be expected .

              PCR data evaluated as positive after a Ct value of 35 cycles are completely unreliable.

              Citing Jaafar et al. 2020 [3]: “At Ct = 35, the value we used to report a positive result for PCR, <3% of cultures are positive.” In other words, there was no successful virus isolation of SARS-CoV-2 at those high Ct values.
              So the PCR tests in the US and UK have primarily been at 40 or 45 cycles. Each cycle does a doubling of the genetic material that is being searched for. This may be RNA fragments after recovery from sickness or may be an insignificant "live" virus. You could have such a small amount of the novel virus that it has no effect on you or anyone, but still could be magnified in the PCR multiplication process.

              I don't have the link handy. However, one hospital found a narrow window for the helpfulness of the test. The sample had to be taken within 4-6 days of symptoms (coughing, congestion, difficult breathing) and find the RNA within 25 cycles. Any higher number of cycles led to decreasing accuracy of the test -- increasing false positives.

              An antigen test can be used to check if someone has (or has had) the infection. I have not studied this in detail since it does not have as profound effect on the public as the false positives do.

              Here's a 6.5 minute video that compares the two tests.
              youtube.com/watch?v=jqdvawSUmlA

              It is also interesting to note that WHO has recommended changes to the PCR test due to the decrease of actual sick people ... so that the number of false positives would be reduced. If we have a situation where no one is sick, then all positive results would be false positives. If you reversed the statistics and said there were only 3% false positives, a million tests would have 30,000 false positives in it.

              There are also other problems with the PCR test. But the info in here should be helpful enough.

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              • #37
                @mikewhitney Hello, it's still too early to give you any reports about Vaccine successes or failures because I still need to wait to Mid August to review the situation of Hospital Admissions and Deaths.

                The Sickness has reduced here but the medics reckon that is because of our Lockdown throughout the four countries.

                But I can tell you that the over 65s do not seem to have suffered any vaccine-sickness or deaths in high numbers due to vaccines. I have read about such incidents but not in hundreds or even scores of casualties.

                It's just a question of waiting until mid-March......

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