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  • #46
    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
    i was able to track down a few of the links based on the info you gave.

    i also don't hope for any new strains in the States. They always are finding new excuses to extend ineffective lockdowns and mask-wearing.
    Thanks for that..........
    I never did ask, so......

    Why do you think that They are finding new ways to lockdown and insist on, say, mask wearing, etc?
    Why did you Government take any measures at all?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by eider View Post

      Thanks for that..........
      I never did ask, so......

      Why do you think that They are finding new ways to lockdown and insist on, say, mask wearing, etc?
      Why did you Government take any measures at all?
      We can just assume they got bad advice that they did not investigate further into.

      Masks have not been effective or they would have worked already

      lockdowns were not effective or they would have worked already.

      Florida is no worse after opening up its society again.

      Sweden has done fine without the early shutdowns

      The curves of "cases" is not helped by shutdowns. And the curves go down even for places like South Dakota, that did not shutdown.

      Last edited by mikewhitney; 01-16-2021, 02:03 AM.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by eider View Post

        Hi......
        Try this link. You've probably figured out by now that I'm rubbish at IT.

        This should work for you:-

        https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-...number-4873934

        Four hospitals in Kent face being overwhelmed as the COVID crisis worsens.
        Hospitals across the south east have been placed under high alert levels in an alarming update from the NHS.
        Three hospitals in Kent have been classed as under full stretch, while one is in a full emergency state.
        Darent Valley Hospital is now at Critcon 4 - the highest alert level - and is the only hospital in the UK to have this level of emergency.


        Mike..... as from Monday all Travel routes to the UK are either closed or requiring a 10 day quarantine, and even a 5 day quarantine on entry even if returning a negative result for Covid. EU Lorry drivers have some kind of faster route in/out.
        Yes i have heard that. There is evidence that asymptomatic spread of the virus is not significant. We also know that 97% false positives are achieved with the RT-PCR tests in the US and UK, because these places commonly use too many cycles in the test -- each cycle doubles the amount of the item being examined.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

          Yes i have heard that. There is evidence that asymptomatic spread of the virus is not significant. We also know that 97% false positives are achieved with the RT-PCR tests in the US and UK, because these places commonly use too many cycles in the test -- each cycle doubles the amount of the item being examined.
          Mike..... I couldn't care less about any tests to be honest. The tests have been a total washout here. Crazy....

          It's the people getting ill, very ill, or dying in Kent that I think of. Lret's not call it Covid..... let's just say that even younger people are getting beaten down by this sickness here.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

            Sweden has done fine without the early shutdowns
            I haven't checked in the last few days, but Sweden has come badly unstuck. The Swedish Government announced new measures against Covid about a fortnight ago, I seem to remember.

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            • #51
              The situation in the UK appears to be connected with flu rather than covid-19.

              One of the problems with the Kent death count is that anyone who has been tested for coronavirus in the last 28 days and dies is counted as a covid-19 death.
              Source: https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/kent-sees-highest-daily-toll-of-almost-100-covid-deaths-240751/


              Hospitals in Kent have reported 95 Covid-19 deaths - setting another new record high for the pandemic.
              The latest figures mean that since January 1 the number of people recorded to have died in the county within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus is 738.

              © Copyright Original Source



              We therefore are not aware of the cause of death nor of comorbidities

              Another problem is that flu and influenza has been a greater problem in the UK than coronavirus
              This was reported in September:
              Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12641004/flu-pneumonia-killed-ten-times-brits-covid-last-week/


              Of deaths registered in the week ending August 28 in the UK, just 101 mentioned the coronavirus.
              The ONS states that 12.6 per cent of deaths were caused by flu and pneumonia, against 1.1 per cent that were caused by Covid-19.
              Experts have now warned that while there has been an increase in coronavirus cases, other conditions are also rife in the UK.

              © Copyright Original Source



              So you may be facing more of a flu season that is shifted under the covid-19 designation due to many false positive tests using the RT-PCR.
              This could explain your remark about many young people suffering sickness when, in most places, very few young people have severe reactions to the coronavirus.

              For reference, the population is described for 2019
              Source: https://www.kent.gov.uk/about-the-council/information-and-data/facts-and-figures-about-Kent/summary-of-kent-facts-and-figures#tab-2


              With a resident population of 1,581,600 Kent has the largest population of all the English counties. Just over half of the total population of Kent is female (51%) and (49%) are male.
              ...
              Just over a fifth of Kent’s population is aged 65 and over (20.2%).

              © Copyright Original Source




              I found deaths in 2019
              Source: https://www.kent.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/13827/Births-and-deaths-bulletin.pdf


              During the year 2019 there were 16,537 births and 15,100 deaths in Kent. This resulted in a net increase of +1,437 people due to natural change.

              © Copyright Original Source



              The comparative deaths seen by Sep 2020 are
              KH-GRAPH-ENGLANDS-BIGGEST-KILLERS-21-AUG-2.jpg
              https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...S-21-AUG-2.jpg



              This becomes about 43 deaths per day. However, flu season may increase the deaths. Kent County has seen 738 deaths from Jan 1 to 13th. This is about 57 a day. This is about 33% above the average then -- and the situation may be worse if there are additional deaths not counted people with positive coronavirus tests.

              This does support the claims of hospitals being busier in Kent County. however, it is hard to project anything from this for the overall death rate or flu rate for the county.

              There is a population over 65 of about 316000. If covid-19 hits hard there it might be 0.03% would die.
              You can see that the percent of elderly deaths as ascribed to covid-19 are still a small portion of the elderly deaths

              PercentOfDeathsAsCovid.png
              This is from: https://www.heritage.org/data-visual...deaths-by-age/


              It is an interesting question whether 239 more deaths than "normal" in these two weeks is sufficient to overload the mortuaries. As for the hospitals, they are usually able to adjust for increased patients during flu seasons.

              The accesskent pdf had shown about a doubling of normal activity in Feb 2018 due to symptoms like fever, temp and flu.

              The other question is whether the media and hospitals have improperly projected the future based on improper tallying of positive coronavirus tests. So there is much to consider by those with calm and rational thinking.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                So, what's your theory?
                That the liberals had a part in the spread of this virus?
                Or that they saw it as a golden opportunity to further their leftist agenda?

                As my Cajun friends would say, "whereyagoinwiddis"?
                I will be a little more detailed than earlier. It does not seem to make a difference one way or another to people's perception any more.

                We seem to be in the time of deception mentioned in Rev 20:7-10 (ESV).
                7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
                The coronavirus seems to have some reality but it is not a true pandemic level where, for example, 1% or more of the population dies. Whatever the numbers of deaths are, the actions that the countries and our states are taking are over reactions. The harm caused by our lockdowns are as bad or worse than the virus itself. The only thing that makes sense is that the leaders across so many countries have been compelled to participate in this deception. The broad number of people across the world then are being deceived by the leaders and the media. We are then willingly or silently destroying our own lives, our own economies, due to this deception. It is warfare against us and we are helping those who willingly (or sometimes under compulsion) to destroy us.

                The only thing that has ever made sense here is that we are seeing the level of deception talked about in Revelation 20. For 10 or so years I realized this passage was probably the only part of Revelation that had not come to pass. i did not know how deception could spread across the world until we saw the current so-called pandemic, which for most countries has only risen to flu levels of deaths.

                Now we see one-sided news where medical specialists are unable to share cures and treatments because the media and the Big Tech sites have censored debate and discussion. We have also seen the deception about the election fraud going on. Then there was deception about the BLM riots where businesses were being burned down. And no, this is not only leftists doing the deceit. We even see (if memory serves) the Michigan (or was it Georgia) Republican legislature illegally changing the voting laws in Oct/Nov 2019 which resulted in much of the fraud we just got through.

                The element lacking in this deception, however, is that the deception in Revelation seems to speak about the nations' image about God and Christians. Also, I did not imagine that Christians also would be deceived by this, but most Christians seem unaware.

                Somehow it seems that even Christians are not required to discover the deception while were are in it. So it must not be critical that we understand this until God destroys and removes those who have promoted this deception against us. I thought I would share this -- just in case some people need to be aware of things that should be evident (even if not the way we expected scripture to pan out on this passage). It seems that after God removes the deceivers (in an act described as fire from heaven), we will then awaken and realize what had just transpired.

                My expectation is that God will save us from this. And we may need this salvation within our lifetimes.

                (Please consider that I did not want to sully my reputation by revealing these current deceptions. I brought this information up ... and most of my other recent posts ... with the interest of saving lives and promoting freedom. I would rather not have put my reputation at stake for stuff that so many people already could warn us about. There are truths of scripture that I would rather share without being labeled by the devil as a conspiracy person.)
                Last edited by mikewhitney; 01-20-2021, 12:01 AM.

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                • #53
                  Right now it seems like the Days of Noah ... people eating and drinking and marrying. Ok maybe not drinking so much since the bars are closed.

                  My point is not that we are facing judgment. However, this is an example in the past of what we see now -- that people are just expecting that things are normal. They do not think about the reality of what is happening.

                  What does it take to realize that something is rotten in Denmark?

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                  • #54
                    More UK news and a video.
                    The following video shows more empty hospitals with audio and video inserts of the news broadcasts which say how busy the hospitals are.

                    The odd thing is that the busy hospitals have very few people in them. Choose your favorite hospital and get a peek at the high level of inactivity. At minimal there should be sick people being transported to the hospital by ambulance and by family. Some people could be arriving on their own. Also, the hallways should have patients being moved around and staff going between areas -- including things like pharmaceutical deliveries.

                    Part8d 3hrs FINAL England UK Weve Seen This Movie Before Hospitals Empty Full Capacity Coronavirus
                    http://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=8USU149XKOAY

                    This video goes on for 3 hours but I only am listing stuff from the first hour.

                    23:00
                    Chorley, Lancashire

                    24:18
                    Whipps Cross Hospital London

                    some people in waitin room. ambulances sitting idle

                    27:00
                    St. James Hospital

                    Beckett Street , Leeds, West Yorkshire,
                    "nurses" laughing

                    29:40
                    solihull Hospital, West Midlands (Near Birmingham --nw of london)


                    35:17
                    Kidderminster Hospital, Worcestershire
                    /www.worcsacute.nhs.uk
                    a bit west of birmingham
                    36:06
                    Jan 1 Birmingham QE

                    37:44
                    News on 30k people being treaetd in the uK

                    37:50
                    Woman sayin i'm just a member of the public

                    37:08
                    dec 26th Kings College Hospital

                    40:21
                    dec 17 3pm Nottingham hospital
                    This is played next to a woman who said she was treated in the hallway

                    41:06
                    BBC video -- nurse saying she made someone's life more better
                    Another saying she's looking at more patients than normal

                    42:00
                    Another skit video by nurses

                    43:50
                    jan 6 video

                    44:00
                    woman in hospiatl qwith camera
                    44:17
                    Royal Cornawll Treliske Hospital Jan 5
                    (extreme southwest corner of England )

                    45:14
                    news about staff burnout
                    45:55
                    demands on staff are unrelenting and on families too
                    47:30
                    She is asking where the covid patients are
                    49:18
                    audio insert -- "intensive care nursing is highly specializeed ... now caring

                    for as many as 5 patients "


                    50:45
                    audio insert -- the number of patients has doubled in the last two weeks
                    51:45
                    Video in the ATE (ADE?) ... bloody empty
                    52L30 --
                    ambulance driver just sitting and maybe texting

                    52:50
                    jan 2nd Watford hertfordshire Hospital
                    53:15
                    Dec 31 10:30PM norfolk and Norwich Hospital
                    54:00
                    video insert: the workload is intesifying

                    54:45 Jan 1st the Royal London Hospital
                    audio insert: Nightengal hospital is being prepared for demands



                    55;30
                    JAN 1ST pRINCESS rOYAL hOSPITAL bROMLEY cHILDRENS wARD
                    audio insert: we have a whole ward of children here
                    [msw: children are not susceptible to covid]
                    56:00
                    empty cribs covered with plastic tarm
                    audio insert: demands on staff are unrelenting
                    56:19
                    BBC every part of london is now in lockdown Jan 5

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by eider View Post

                      Mike..... I couldn't care less about any tests to be honest. The tests have been a total washout here. Crazy....

                      It's the people getting ill, very ill, or dying in Kent that I think of. Lret's not call it Covid..... let's just say that even younger people are getting beaten down by this sickness here.
                      I have not found footage of the hospitals in Kent County.

                      Medway Maritime appears in the video as an empty hospital. This was on Jan 3 (at 1:16:20 in the earlier video link)

                      Medway is shown in the image below that is from this article : https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/health...h-alert-covid/

                      Then, apparently, four days later it is supposed to be chaotic.
                      ROB-HOSPITAL-ALERT-V2.jpg?w=620.jpg

                      I am concerned that your media is getting details a bit confused ... maybe mixing up which hospitals they were reporting from. In that case we would have the blind leading the blind.

                      Likely what has happened is that the journalists got covid while doing reports on it and brought the virus back to the newsroom where it hindered their ability to corrrectly reported the news.

                      The article includes this
                      In London, 800 new Covid sufferers a day are being admitted to wards — enough to fill one of the major hospitals.
                      Surely in London (which we have at least Ealing Hospital at 1:01:45 in the video) this number of incoming patients would be noticeable across the day, even across 10 to 20 hospitals. However, the hospitals in the videos usually show no patients coming in -- but there are some exceptions.

                      I expect that people will doubt the evidence, as is so readily done in the 21st Century, but at least there should be enough detail here to make you ponder what might be happening.
                      Last edited by mikewhitney; 01-21-2021, 12:14 AM.

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                      • #56
                        here's a snapshot of a Medway Maritime hallway. The videographer was a bit timid. The Ealing hospital probably is a better example.

                        MedwayMaritimeJan3.jpg

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post

                          I have not found footage of the hospitals in Kent County.

                          Medway Maritime appears in the video as an empty hospital. This was on Jan 3 (at 1:16:20 in the earlier video link)

                          Medway is shown in the image below that is from this article : https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/health...h-alert-covid/

                          Then, apparently, four days later it is supposed to be chaotic.
                          ROB-HOSPITAL-ALERT-V2.jpg?w=620.jpg

                          I am concerned that your media is getting details a bit confused ... maybe mixing up which hospitals they were reporting from. In that case we would have the blind leading the blind.

                          Likely what has happened is that the journalists got covid while doing reports on it and brought the virus back to the newsroom where it hindered their ability to corrrectly reported the news.

                          The article includes this


                          Surely in London (which we have at least Ealing Hospital at 1:01:45 in the video) this number of incoming patients would be noticeable across the day, even across 10 to 20 hospitals. However, the hospitals in the videos usually show no patients coming in -- but there are some exceptions.

                          I expect that people will doubt the evidence, as is so readily done in the 21st Century, but at least there should be enough detail here to make you ponder what might be happening.
                          Oh! You're a Brit!
                          I should have guessed! If you had been a 'Merican I should have expected to see a thumping great Indian or a Harley for your pick. I couldn't decide which make of superbike that is, but with you living in Ealing I reckon you've got the right transport. Yep!

                          Mike, for all I know Boris and his lot hold late night seances and afterwards plot how to bring us good honest decent Brits (all!) to our knees within their totalitarian state which they'll call 'Beautiful Boris' or whatever. I don't go hanging round hospitals to check up on the BBC..... but honestly, to see Doctors on the News telling us they've just about had enough, with no beds and mortuary gurneys being used to lay incoming patients on....... I gotta tell you that I believe the good ol' Beeb.

                          And my wife...... I believe my wife. She works at the local veterinary surgery. All through last year she would hear about the odd case of Covid amongst the customer base, you know...... 'Mrs Jenkins' daughter's friend got Covid' etc...... and a few would have more serious consequences. A few cases. But now? Our Town was marked in purple before any other area (last December?) and now she comes home to tell me that her colleague's sister cannot walk after Covid, a Vet has gone down, every day customers need pet-couriers to bring pets to surgery because owners are ill.......... all the time.

                          I'm not questioning or scrutinizing the content of the News. Any Deep State take over ideas will have to simmer.... I do wear a mask, do keep isopropyl alcohol sprays in jeep, panda, rucksack etc, do stick to social distancing, only go shopping at opening times and for essential items, do follow my wife's wishes and do look forward to getting a vaccine jab soon (I'm old and tatty).

                          EDIT: Ummm....... have I got you wrong ... as a Brit!
                          I've just noticed 'SoCal' beside your avatar.
                          Last edited by eider; 01-21-2021, 12:51 AM.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by eider View Post
                            Oh! You're a Brit!
                            I should have guessed! If you had been a 'Merican I should have expected to see a thumping great Indian or a Harley for your pick. I couldn't decide which make of superbike that is, but with you living in Ealing I reckon you've got the right transport. Yep!

                            Mike, for all I know Boris and his lot hold late night seances and afterwards plot how to bring us good honest decent Brits (all!) to our knees within their totalitarian state which they'll call 'Beautiful Boris' or whatever. I don't go hanging round hospitals to check up on the BBC..... but honestly, to see Doctors on the News telling us they've just about had enough, with no beds and mortuary gurneys being used to lay incoming patients on....... I gotta tell you that I believe the good ol' Beeb.

                            And my wife...... I believe my wife. She works at the local veterinary surgery. All through last year she would hear about the odd case of Covid amongst the customer base, you know...... 'Mrs Jenkins' daughter's friend got Covid' etc...... and a few would have more serious consequences. A few cases. But now? Our Town was marked in purple before any other area (last December?) and now she comes home to tell me that her colleague's sister cannot walk after Covid, a Vet has gone down, every day customers need pet-couriers to bring pets to surgery because owners are ill.......... all the time.

                            I'm not questioning or scrutinizing the content of the News. Any Deep State take over ideas will have to simmer.... I do wear a mask, do keep isopropyl alcohol sprays in jeep, panda, rucksack etc, do stick to social distancing, only go shopping at opening times and for essential items, do follow my wife's wishes and do look forward to getting a vaccine jab soon (I'm old and tatty).

                            It is hard to figure out your point here. I did not say that people have not gotten sick and harmed during this time, did I?

                            I just am showing the contrast between what the news reporters say and what is happening in the hospital. Are you able to explain how these mesh together?

                            I did not ask you to decide what Boris thinks or is doing. I just am asking that you look at the evidence.

                            I suspect you are smart enough to think through these things and possibly show some insight.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                              here's a snapshot of a Medway Maritime hallway. The videographer was a bit timid. The Ealing hospital probably is a better example.

                              MedwayMaritimeJan3.jpg
                              I saw the above picture of a corridor in Medway Hospital.

                              That means nothing, I'm afraid.
                              In late November I took a blood test on a Monday. On the next Wednesday I got a call to tell me that I needed to attend the Emergency Care Clinic at K&C Hospital Canterbury the very next morning (Thurs) for an operation to insert a stent between my bladder and right kidney. My GFR count had reduced from 70 to 25 and that if it reached 15 my kidney was going to die. THey saved my kidney, by the way.
                              I walked in to K&C Canterbury at 9am next morning and was taken to patient reception, was in surgery at about 11am.
                              Mike, the place was silent! It reminded me of such hospitals on Sundays. Three years ago the place would have been bunged full of visitors. I mentioned this to a nurse and this is what she told me. ...

                              We are not taking Covid cases at K&C. All the Covid cases are going to QEQM Margate, William Harvey Ashford and we are dealing with the whole of East Kent's other emergencies. Nobody gets in here unless they have an appointment within 15 minutes and show no symptoms of Covid. Only necessary staff and patients are allowed in.

                              ??

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by eider View Post

                                I saw the above picture of a corridor in Medway Hospital.

                                That means nothing, I'm afraid.
                                In late November I took a blood test on a Monday. On the next Wednesday I got a call to tell me that I needed to attend the Emergency Care Clinic at K&C Hospital Canterbury the very next morning (Thurs) for an operation to insert a stent between my bladder and right kidney. My GFR count had reduced from 70 to 25 and that if it reached 15 my kidney was going to die. THey saved my kidney, by the way.
                                I walked in to K&C Canterbury at 9am next morning and was taken to patient reception, was in surgery at about 11am.
                                Mike, the place was silent! It reminded me of such hospitals on Sundays. Three years ago the place would have been bunged full of visitors. I mentioned this to a nurse and this is what she told me. ...

                                We are not taking Covid cases at K&C. All the Covid cases are going to QEQM Margate, William Harvey Ashford and we are dealing with the whole of East Kent's other emergencies. Nobody gets in here unless they have an appointment within 15 minutes and show no symptoms of Covid. Only necessary staff and patients are allowed in.

                                ??
                                Sorry to hear you got so close to death. Thanks for the tidbit of information about K&C. However, that is not the only hospital that was really quiet. Ashford and St. Peters also have been quiet.

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