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  • #16
    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    It's late now, I'm heading to bed, see you in fourteen hours or so.
    k. sleep well. pleasant dreams.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Leonhard View Post

      You honestly don't know about science? Science is largely a communal effort between scores of scientists publishing the results of their studies in journals. This is how science advances. The studies are examined, criticized, and become the basis for more reports. You can also find advisory panels on Health and entire institutes dedicated to all sorts of specific issues.
      Would you be fine with 10million kids injured by vaccines rather than 1000 dead kids from a possible virus outbreak?

      Have you read about the problems of the medical studies and that less than 50% are repeatable? I have shared the link for the Virus Mania book. It has lots of references in it.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        Would you be fine with 10million kids injured by vaccines rather than 1000 dead kids from a possible virus outbreak?
        10million! What are you smoking, at best you 400 vaccine injury case settlements per year. And yes I'd take 400 vaccine injuries per year over 1000 dead kids. That ought to be a no brainer.

        Have you read about the problems of the medical studies and that less than 50% are repeatable? I have shared the link for the Virus Mania book. It has lots of references in it.
        Yes, I've read such studies. And no I'm not wading through the hours of video you want me to see, and if you're referring to a book with "references" in it, then why don't you just summarize a good argument from it and give the specific references instead? It seems in general that you're consuming an enormous quantity of very low-quality information mikewhitney.

        Give me a peer-review study, published in a respected journal. Anything else is just bad evidence, and bad evidence never amounts to a good argument.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post

          10million! What are you smoking, at best you 400 vaccine injury case settlements per year. And yes I'd take 400 vaccine injuries per year over 1000 dead kids. That ought to be a no brainer.



          Yes, I've read such studies. And no I'm not wading through the hours of video you want me to see, and if you're referring to a book with "references" in it, then why don't you just summarize a good argument from it and give the specific references instead? It seems in general that you're consuming an enormous quantity of very low-quality information mikewhitney.

          Give me a peer-review study, published in a respected journal. Anything else is just bad evidence, and bad evidence never amounts to a good argument.
          I'm not sure how you have determined this is low quality information.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            I'm not sure how you have determined this is low quality information.
            Because you give several videos to the combined length of several hours, and you vaguely gesture at references in a book. That's already very low-quality information. I'm not going to take several hours out of my life to do your job for you mikewhitney. I'm not the only one who's pointed that out to you.

            I've even given you a challenge: Find me the peer-reviewed articles, in mainstream journals, that support your case. I'm not interested in testimonials, or conspiracy theories about "Big Pharma". I'm interested in the evidence. Your numbers are way, way off base as well. I mean do you seriously think that there's 10 million + cases of severe averse vaccine related symptoms? That's definitely not the case.

            I'm willing to have a discussion with you, but you have to bring something else to the table than a video and a vague reference to a book you liked.

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            • #21

              Leonard, you don't have to reply to this since it is not yet reduced to a well-settled study. Thompson did not agree with the massaged results and he eventually exposed this. However, you will also find (at the top of the search) arguments against Thompson. It is really messy when a whistleblower exposes something to which the Pharma industry response with disinformation.

              I'm not sure how to sort out the discussion on the safety (or lack of safety) of vaccines concerning the evidence exposed by the whistleblower Thompson. But this website provides a good summary of problems arising from a discussions in a meeting of the CDC

              Source: https://truthsnitch.com/tag/verstraeten-thimerosal-study-unpublished/


              As a former very pro-vaccination individual, these are the things that bother me the most about this interaction:

                • Experts do not know what I consider to be basic and necessary safety information for a multitude of vaccine ingredients and how they may or may not interact with one another and affect the body.
                • The absence of the above information is in no way considered an impediment to vaccine approval, utilization, and forceful recommendation.
                • Prior to reading private conversations such as this, I assumed the experts did know these basic and necessary data.
                • The public is preliminarily assured of safety before anyone has any idea of whether or not these assurances are accurate, even before scientific data has been sufficiently collected and/or reviewed.
                • Given evidence of the distinct possibility that some element of vaccination (not sure which, it could be multiple things) is directly associated to neurological developmental disorders (among other things), experts feel justified in withholding this information from the public to ensure that confidence in vaccination is not lost.
                • Although aluminum was clearly identified as (at the very least) an ingredient equivalently dangerous to mercury, there was not, and there has not been, any effort to remove this ingredient or seriously study it.

              These realizations are particularly unsettling in light of the 2011 Institute of Medicine Report. The ICAN white paper on Vaccine Safety summarizes their findings on pages 8-9:

              This third IOM Report reviewed the 158 most common vaccine injuries claimed to have occurred for vaccination from varicella, hepatitis B, tetanus, measles, mumps, and/or rubella. The IOM located science which ‘convincingly supports a causal relationship’ for 14 of these serious injuries including pneumonia, meningitis, hepatitis, MIBE(deadly brain inflammation a year after vaccination), febrile seizures, and anaphylaxis. The review found sufficient evidence to support ‘acceptance of a causal relationship’ for 4 additional serious injuries. The IOM, however, found the scientific literature was insufficient to conclude whether or not those vaccines caused 135 other serious injuries commonly reported after their administration…For the remaining 135 vaccine-injury pairs, over 86% of those reviewed, the IOM found that the science simply had not been performed.”

              I won’t list all of the 135, but the following is a sampling: Encephalitis, Encephalopathy, Seizures, Transverse Myelitis, Multiple Sclerosis, Guillain-Barre, Systemic Lupus Erythematosus, Juvenile Ideopathic Arthritis, Rheumatoid Athritis, Fibromyalgia, SIDS. (Relevant IOM Report link here)

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              What we do know is that Thimerosal is a mercury component that has been in the childhood vaccines. This has been taken out of the childhood vaccines likely due to the concerns raised by the original study and exposed by Thompson. (CDC says mercury was removed but did not say there was a reason for this https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...sal/index.html) However, the flu shot has been recommended for children ages 2 and older. Most flu shots have mercury in them. So, the children, if following this flu shot recommendation, are again being given dangerous amounts of mercury.

              The obvious problem is that Thimerosal is poisonous. Contrary to the CDC report, mercury accumulates. It is hard to extract from the body and it combines with the aluminum to have a multiplied negative effect on the brain.

              I shared this video once before. This is by a doctor who does sort of a forensic retelling of the medical events that led to injury or death. This one is on organic mercury (which seems to be what Thimerosal is).

              The video is relevant in many ways to the discussion but the video also just is interesting in and of itself.


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              • #22
                If your follow the links for the Institute of Medicine's report, you can see where their publication (895 pages) refers to the places where vaccination studies and records "convincingly supports a causal relationship" to certain diseases and injuries.
                The link I used for the download of the book is https://download.nap.edu/cart/downlo...ecord_id=13164

                It was within the first 10 pages that the chart identifies vaccines with medical injuries. We also know that the Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting system has a record of vaccine injuries, but I have not looked for any statistical data from them.

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                • #23
                  Episode 9 of the truth about vaccines series is really interesting. If we are willing to sacrifice the health and safety of our children by living in pure ignorance of the facts, then skip watching the video (this episode will be live until the evening on Thursday ... for this showing). It seems totally crazy that people would not be willing to hear the other side of the vaccine debate -- the part we don't hear from the pharmaceutical companies. If you listen and still disagree on the facts, at least you have seen what the debate is about. This is not some libfest of hippies spouting off weird opinions. We have the summary of years of investigation and court cases to get to the root of vaccine information, to get to the truth.

                  https://go2.thetruthaboutvaccines.co...ies/episode-9/

                  Within the first 25 minutes, the documentary shows video of discussion in WHO concerning vaccine safety. There was a discussion about the lack of studies on adjuvant safety. There was also a discussion on heart disease caused by the vaccines. After critical discussions (or just introduction of these type of issues) and without answering these concerns, a vote was taken. There was a 100% approval for the vaccines. This is the consensus achieved. The consensus went against the concerns just presented. This indicates that the medical specialists feared being part of the dissent.

                  Here's some additional points raised in the video (with approximate time stamps...

                  25:30

                  50% of kids in study (on measles vaccinations?) had gastrointestinal illnesses up to 42 days
                  some had respiratory illness lasting up to 42 days
                  the vaccine is worse that the illness it is trying to prevent

                  a woman who has measles and mumps as a child, her chance of ovarian cancer is cut in half

                  by having measles and mumps, we save 10s or 100s of thousands of lives
                  these illnesses reduce chance of heart disease by 10%
                  we save 65,000 people from death by heart disease (per year?)
                  26:30
                  compared to those who got measles and were unvacinnated
                  those who got the measles vaccine and ???
                  had a 333% increased risk of Hodgkin's Lymphoma

                  35:30
                  Schiff asks Amazon to stop taking ads from groups warning about vaccines. (The headline says disinformation, but I doubt that Amazon blocks ads from Big Pharma)
                  Anyhow, this is Facism when the government is getting cooperation of big companies to conspire against the people. This act by Schiff is functionally a violation of Amendment 1 of the US Constitution.

                  Schiff said there was no indication that vaccines cause life-threatening or disabling diseases

                  37:30
                  Rep Posey responded to Zuckerberg
                  "If vaccines do not cause injuries, why has the vaccine injury trust fund paid out $4,061,322,557 for vaccine injuries?


                  39:00
                  Diseases that became prominent after 1989 just happen to be the list of diseases listed as side-effects of the vaccines that were tripled in the childhood schedule at this time

                  Then the pharmaceutical companies make $500 billion a year off the medicines to treat the side-effects of these vaccines.

                  Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-22-2020, 04:06 AM.

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