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  • #31
    Rabbis were divided on such issues. The best rule is not to misuse the body in ways for which it was not designed.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by djbrock View Post
      Rabbis were divided on such issues. The best rule is not to misuse the body in ways for which it was not designed.
      I'd add in one thing.

      If either the husband or wife does not want to do it, don't do it.

      Sexual relations between husband and wife should never involve forcing one person to do what they don't want to do.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by djbrock View Post
        Rabbis were divided on such issues. The best rule is not to misuse the body in ways for which it was not designed.
        That's astoundingly vague.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by whag View Post
          That's astoundingly vague.
          If you choose to see it that way.
          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by whag View Post
            That's astoundingly vague.
            What are reproductive organs for again? I keep forgetting.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              What are reproductive organs for again? I keep forgetting.
              Such deep and profound questions. :-) I'll ponder it while I take a bath with my electric blow dryer. It occurred to me that a butter knife is a butter knife even if I use it to tighten the screw in my kitchen scissors or stick it in the door jamb at night like a deadbolt. In the end I still have a butter knife, only with a bent tip.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                What are reproductive organs for again? I keep forgetting.
                Well think about that for a second. Is everything that Solomon is described as doing to one of his wives particularly "reproductive"?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by whag View Post
                  Well think about that for a second. Is everything that Solomon is described as doing to one of his wives particularly "reproductive"?
                  Solomon fell heavily into sin, so he is a POOR example.
                  That's what
                  - She

                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                    If you choose to see it that way.
                    Nope. If your wife hasn't used her breasts for anything other than feeding her children, you'll know what I'm getting at.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      Solomon fell heavily into sin, so he is a POOR example.
                      I believe he's referring to Song of Solomon.
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        Solomon fell heavily into sin, so he is a POOR example.
                        Could you please get to the point? Are you saying that any married sexual interaction other than traditional coitus is forbidden?

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                        • #42
                          There are no specific instructions given in Scripture as to HOW married people are to use their bodies. But common sense rule #1 would be that you should use them in ways for which they were designed to function. I once read a profound statement "What are reproductive organs for? I keep forgetting."
                          Read my other blog posts at http://reasonablefaithknoxville.org

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                          • #43
                            I would like to quote from Sheet Music, as I alluded to it in the previous thread that was deleted, but I am not sure the quotation would be appropriate for a family site. However, his basic takeaway is that Song of Solomon seems to allude to oral sex, not in a negative manner, and that most biblical scholars believe that this plus an absence of a direct prohibition leave Christians who feel comfortable with it within marriage in a "safe" position religious wise. Obviously if somebody is not comfortable doing it they should not.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by djbrock View Post
                              There are no specific instructions given in Scripture as to HOW married people are to use their bodies. But common sense rule #1 would be that you should use them in ways for which they were designed to function. I once read a profound statement "What are reproductive organs for? I keep forgetting."
                              Teleology actually has nothing to do with permitted sexual activity within marriage. If I perform oral sex on my wife, or she performs it on me, we're not procreating.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
                                I'd add in one thing.

                                If either the husband or wife does not want to do it, don't do it.

                                Sexual relations between husband and wife should never involve forcing one person to do what they don't want to do.
                                This is a much more biblical view in my opinion than one since-banned poster who implied based on 1 Corinthians 7 that a Christian could force intercourse with an unwilling spouse. The question isn't what you can do, it's what you and your spouse both want to do and marital love precludes trying to hurt the other.
                                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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