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  • Faber
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    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    Are O'Reilly and Beck considered to be Christian authorities?
    Not in my opinion. Beck is a Mormon, which is a cult. But if you ask them, they would probably both claim to Be Christian. I know Beck does.

    I haven't read O'Reilly's Killing Jesus, but from what I heard, he doesn't have much respect for the reliability of Scripture. Apparently Rev. Robert Jeffress of First Baptist Church in Dallas liked the book.

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  • Jedidiah
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    Originally posted by Faber View Post
    Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck come to mind.
    Are O'Reilly and Beck considered to be Christian authorities? Does agreeing in one area mean agreeing with everything someone says?

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  • Jedidiah
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Stop calling him in to podcasts, having interviews with him, stop selling his books actively on apologetics websites. Stop passing out donation links. If you do a review of him, at least give a note saying you're aware of the things he's said. Or just leave him to that weird little cult he's gathered around himself. Start criticising him, stop criticising those who do when they're being fair.
    When did Zym do this? How many Christians, especially here on TWeb, have been guilty of this sort of thing?

    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    We Christians need to stop assuming that just because someone writes positively about the Bible, or Christ, are against abortion and is against modernity, that therefore everything checks out and they're something to emulate.

    As it is, it stands as incredible ironic that Nick is praising a book by him on riposte given how he himself uses those techniques to mock and ridicule his female critics.
    I agree that we need consistency in our dealing with others. You are quite right on this, but . . . how does looking at a man's view of riposte give any credence to his errors in other areas?

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  • Faber
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    We Christians need to stop assuming that just because someone writes positively about the Bible, or Christ, are against abortion and is against modernity, that therefore everything checks out and they're something to emulate.
    Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck come to mind.

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    ? What does that mean?
    Stop calling him in to podcasts, having interviews with him, stop selling his books actively on apologetics websites. Stop passing out donation links. If you do a review of him, at least give a note saying you're aware of the things he's said. Or just leave him to that weird little cult he's gathered around himself. Start criticising him, stop criticising those who do when they're being fair.

    We Christians need to stop assuming that just because someone writes positively about the Bible, or Christ, are against abortion and is against modernity, that therefore everything checks out and they're something to emulate.

    As it is, it stands as incredible ironic that Nick is praising a book by him on riposte given how he himself uses those techniques to mock and ridicule his female critics.

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  • Jedidiah
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Then stop giving him pride of place.
    ? What does that mean?

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    I don't have a problem with your comments on Wilson (not familiar, so maybe he's a total jerk), but you seem to be tarring evangelicals in general with it.
    Then stop giving him pride of place.

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  • TheWall
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    The only time I've ever heard slavery cast in a positive light is when someone observed that the descendants of slaves in the U.S. benefited from it since they live in a country where they are almost always better off than the people who live in the countries that their ancestors were taken from. I've never heard anyone claim that slavery itself was good or a positive thing.
    Cassius Clay comes to mind with that.
    Frederick Douglass said it was ignorance that kept him a slave. He taught himself to read and write started two newspapers and became a leading abolitionist.

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  • rogue06
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    The only time I've ever heard slavery cast in a positive light is when someone observed that the descendants of slaves in the U.S. benefited from it since they live in a country where they are almost always better off than the people who live in the countries that their ancestors were taken from. I've never heard anyone claim that slavery itself was good or a positive thing.

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  • Zymologist
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    A link to leave here before someone comes in with the obligatory demand for evidence. Ironically he treats all women with sarcasm and mockery (let's call it riposte), like what this book is about, any woman who criticises him he immediately labels a feminist and mocks.

    https://adaughterofthereformation.wo...r-wilson-fans/
    I don't have a problem with your comments on Wilson (not familiar, so maybe he's a total jerk), but you seem to be tarring evangelicals in general with it.

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  • Leonhard
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    A link to leave here before someone comes in with the obligatory demand for evidence. Ironically he treats all women with sarcasm and mockery (let's call it riposte), like what this book is about, any woman who criticises him he immediately labels a feminist and mocks.

    https://adaughterofthereformation.wo...r-wilson-fans/

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  • KingsGambit
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    I'm just saying that if evangelicals have gotten over their problems with how they view women, why is Doug Wilson still given a seat?

    And I'm out before I get sucked back into this forum.
    The vast majority of evangelicals both have never heard of Doug Wilson (most people don't hang out in the Reformed blogosphere where he's prominent) and wouldn't support either of those statements.

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  • Leonhard
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    the idea that most evangelicals secretly support slavery is ludicrous.
    I never said that.

    But there's a lot of fantasy history about a noble confederacy, that slavery was somehow good for the blacks and there's a lot of evangelical writers who try to paint marriage as co-equal, but in reality talk about radical submissiveness of the wife to the husband. To the point where rape of a wife is impossible, and spousal abuse, even violent abuse, is no grounds for seperation or divorce.

    Wilson talks about marriage the same way he talks about black slaves under whites.

    I'm just saying that if evangelicals have gotten over their problems with how they view women, why is Doug Wilson still given a seat?

    And I'm out before I get sucked back into this forum.

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  • KingsGambit
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    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    I'm not familiar with Doug Wilson, but what do you mean by the bolded?
    I echo this question. It's no question that American evangelicals tend to be politically conservative, but the idea that most evangelicals secretly support slavery is ludicrous.

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  • Zymologist
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Not a man I would ever actively praise. He both considered the slavery of the south a positive thing, and he talked about how women should submit to their husbands in the same terms, and argued it was impossible for a married woman to be sexually abused.

    Why he keeps being popular amongst evangelicals is a wonder, or on the other hand, maybe its not.
    I'm not familiar with Doug Wilson, but what do you mean by the bolded?

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