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  • The Reality of Jesus

    Who do you say the Son of Man is? http://deeperwaters.wordpress.com/20...lity-of-jesus/

  • #2
    I agree with what Peter said! Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God.
    Last edited by Christianbookworm; 11-24-2014, 11:48 AM.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
      I agree with what Peter said! Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God.
      Perhaps Jesus existed, but he was certainly not the son of any god. That kind of claim requires non-circular evidence.
      “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” - Richard Dawkins

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ChaosRain View Post
        Perhaps Jesus existed, but he was certainly not the son of any god. That kind of claim requires non-circular evidence.
        Despite how the majority of Christians out there might reason, at least around here, the arguments commonly advanced are more than "the Bible says so".
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ChaosRain View Post
          Perhaps Jesus existed, but he was certainly not the son of any god. That kind of claim requires non-circular evidence.
          At least you aren't claiming that a human male from Nazereth named Jesus didn't exist and was actually based on the hero myth... now that is not very scholarly at all!
          If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            Despite how the majority of Christians out there might reason, at least around here, the arguments commonly advanced are more than "the Bible says so".
            I should hope so.


            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
            At least you aren't claiming that a human male from Nazereth named Jesus didn't exist and was actually based on the hero myth... now that is not very scholarly at all!
            I can see why people would argue for that; the Bible is arguably little more than a collection of older myths and legends from older religions. Then again, most modern-day religions are.
            “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” - Richard Dawkins

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ChaosRain View Post
              Perhaps Jesus existed, but he was certainly not the son of any god. That kind of claim requires non-circular evidence.
              What would you say with respect to more obviously metaphorical language, ie, something like Jesus is the human face of God? Let's assume merely for the sake of discussion that you believe in God.
              βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
              ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

              אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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              • #8
                Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                What would you say with respect to more obviously metaphorical language, ie, something like Jesus is the human face of God? Let's assume merely for the sake of discussion that you believe in God.
                It would still not make any sense, because whereas Jesus was a very historically benevolent individual, God was certainly not. To call Jesus the "face of God" would be nonsensical, given the two characters' differing natures within the novel.
                “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” - Richard Dawkins

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ChaosRain View Post
                  It would still not make any sense, because whereas Jesus was a very historically benevolent individual, God was certainly not. To call Jesus the "face of God" would be nonsensical, given the two characters' differing natures within the novel.
                  You cannot make allowances for the historical, cultural, and other limitations of those writing a novel about God? Are you limited to the confines of their novel? Is Jesus necessarily so limited and unable to expand upon our perception of the nature of God by his teaching and example?
                  βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
                  ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

                  אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                    Are you limited to the confines of their novel?
                    No, but you are, if you follow the Bible as some here do. I, however, am free to go where I choose.


                    Is Jesus necessarily so limited and unable to expand upon our perception of the nature of God by his teaching and example?
                    Jesus is limited to his character, and cannot accommodate God's countering character. To say that Jesus was both himself and God would be to have split-personality disorder. He was certainly not teaching by God's example.
                    “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” - Richard Dawkins

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ChaosRain View Post
                      No, but you are, if you follow the Bible as some here do. I, however, am free to go where I choose.
                      I am not bound by any belief in biblical inerrancy.

                      Originally posted by ChaosRain View Post
                      Jesus is limited to his character, and cannot accommodate God's countering character. To say that Jesus was both himself and God would be to have split-personality disorder. He was certainly not teaching by God's example.
                      I think you may have misunderstood my question so I will try to clarify. Is Jesus necessarily limited and unable to expand upon our perception of the nature of God by Jesus' own teaching about God and the example of his life? Cannot Jesus teach us more about God than we might have gathered based on a particular, limited understanding of the previous biblical narratives and discourse?
                      βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
                      ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

                      אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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