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Deeper Waters is founded on the belief that the Christian community has long been in the shallow end of Christianity while there are treasures of the deep waiting to be discovered. Too many in the shallow end are not prepared when they go out beyond those waters and are quickly devoured by sharks. We wish to aid Christians to equip them to navigate the deeper waters of the ocean of truth and come up with treasure in the end.
We also wish to give special aid to those often neglected, that is, the disabled community. This is especially so since our founders are both on the autism spectrum and have a special desire to reach those on that spectrum. While they are a special emphasis, we seek to help others with any disability realize that God can use them and that they are as the Psalmist says, fearfully and wonderfully made.
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Richard Dawkins: A Gift From God
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostThere are a number of different views on the nature of morality, even amongst atheists, but the point of my post is that the issue of morality is one which is very frequently asked of self-described atheists, and that people who have mistaken Dawkins as being the dictator of atheism will immediately and fallaciously present the man's gaffs as if they are representative of positions that atheists MUST hold.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat is "atheist morality?"
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI think its rather simple really seer, Atheist, at least those that are not nihilist, believe that morality is inherent in the natural order of things. Slavery isn't right or wrong simply because a God says it is either right or wrong, if it were then you could argue that if there were no God to answer to then slavery would be perfectly good. Same for murder, torture, or anything else that we humans find to be immoral. Personally i don't know of any nihilistic atheists, though i'm sure they are out there, but why do you suppose it is that atheists also have a moral compass. It is because they do not need a God to tell them what is right and what is wrong. What if God said that slavery was the thing to do, that murder was good, that stealing was good, in other words what if the nature of God was more in line with that of what you refer to as satan, because of this satan type God do you believe that which we now believe to be evil would actually be good because that is what the satan god decreed. Atheists would say no.
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Originally posted by seer View PostLOL, I think Boxing will be a little more nuanced than that...Last edited by JimL; 08-25-2014, 07:17 PM.
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Dawkins just keeps shoving his foot farther and farther into his own mouth. Makes it real hard for the rest of us-- especially whenever the subject of "atheist morality" comes up...
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"Richard Dawkins: A Gift From God"
This reminded me of something I recently read by Michael Ruse, a philosopher of science who seems to specialize in the relationship between science and religion and who describes himself as both an agnostic and atheist (he says that he is "agnostic on deities and ultimate meanings and that sort of thing").
Well, the article he wrote called "Fighting the Fundamentalists: Chamberlain or Churchill?" concerns his dislike for both militant creationists and atheists[1].
In the he notes how Richard Dawkins wrote about him in his book "The God Delusion" saying that Dawkins compared him "to Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister who tried to appease Adolf Hitler" because he believes that science and religion are compatible -- a view Dawkins rejects. Ruse writes:
A little further down Ruse states (and this is the portion relevant to the title of your article, "Richard Dawkins: A Gift From God"):
So Ruse agrees that the antics and attitude displayed by Dawkins and his ilk are indeed a "gift from God" for many.
As an aside, note that Ruse calls the radical fundamentalist atheists -- the "Dawkins-Dennett school" -- "militant atheists." This puts to rest the oft stated claim that this description is only used by "Christian extremists."
ETA: Ruse's article has been reprinted HERE and can be read in full by those interested
1. More on his views on "New Atheists" can be seen here: Why I Think the New Atheists are a Bloody Disaster
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"Interestingly, this same person who wandered about a child with Down’s also admitted to being on the autism spectrum "
"wondered," not "wandered"
-- The Grammar Police.
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Richard Dawkins: A Gift From God
What are my thoughts on the latest snafu of Richard Dawkins? http://deeperwaters.wordpress.com/20...gift-from-god/Tags: None
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