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On The Death of Robin Williams
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As far as I can tell I don't disagree with anything in Walsh's post, but the way he phrased it wouldn't be very helpful to somebody in that situation."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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I won't say RIP anymore, but then what can I say about things like Robin's death?The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by seer View PostThis guy is getting a lot of grief for this post, I really don't see the problem - do you?
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/08/...uZqP5Idohhv.99
Here's what David Foster Wallace* (another brilliant man who tragically took his own life in the throes of depression) said about the illness:
The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
So you could say that suicide is a "choice" in the sense that a conscious decision was made to fashion the noose, but it isn't a choice between two or more options, because the nature of depression is such that the individual becomes convinced that suicide is the only option. And more significantly, it wasn't Robin Williams who made the choice, but the depression that hijacked his mind.
*Who, come to think of it, was once said to be to literature what Robin Williams was to comedyLast edited by fm93; 08-13-2014, 06:43 PM.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostTo me, there seems to be an implication that all people have the same experience post-mortem given that the phrase is generally used for Christians and non-Christians alike...
and it seems to carry a great certainty regarding a conscious but inactive intermediate state.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I don't think it is appropriate to say RIP about anyone who dies.
If they are a believer, they are not caring what we think about them, and are certainly content in the Lord's presence.
If they are not believers, then they cannot "rest in peace". They will one day be resurrected to destruction.
A sad tragedy, indeed.
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We say RIP just out of respect to those who died. I don't see any reason not too if you are so inclined. We don't know his relationship with Christ. Even if he wasn't a Christian, it doesn't mean we can't be respectful (not saying anyone here is doing that). :)"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostThat's why I said, what a tragedy, and sad.
No disrespect intended to anyone who dies."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostYou could say, What a sad tragedy.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI don't think it is appropriate to say RIP about anyone who dies.
If they are a believer, they are not caring what we think about them, and are certainly content in the Lord's presence.
If they are not believers, then they cannot "rest in peace". They will one day be resurrected to destruction.
And if the dead don't care, what does it matter if we disrespect them?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostExcept we don't know who is content in the Lord's presence, and who will be resurrected to destruction. Thus the hope expressed in "R.I.P."
And if the dead don't care, what does it matter if we disrespect them?
And I guess it doesn't matter if we disrespect the dead. They don't know or care about what we think or do. It is simply, perhaps, ingrained in us by our culture.
I don't really know. Someone who has studied the culture of death might be better answering that question.
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I think R.I.P. comes from the more understandable hopeful proclamation "MAY he rest in peace", hence the "hope" to which OBP refers.
From his "fruit", I would guess Williams was not a believer, but, in hope, one could say "may he rest in peace".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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One of my issues with it is that it seems flippant. It's something we say reflexively without thinking much of the meaning, as is evidenced with the comparison with "bless you" after sneezing. Death is a serious enough event and people matter enough that we shouldn't just resort to meaningless platitudes."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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