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On The Death of Robin Williams

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  • seer
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    This guy is getting a lot of grief for this post, I really don't see the problem - do you?

    he death of Robin Williams is significant not because he was famous, but because he was human, and not just because he left this world, but particularly because he apparently chose to leave it.

    Suicide.

    A terrible, monstrous atrocity. It disturbs me in a deep, visceral, indescribable way. Of course it disturbs most people, I would assume. Indeed, we should fear the day when we wake up and decide we aren’t disturbed by it anymore.

    So I’m just like you, then, because I can’t stomach the thought of it. I’ve seen it in the neighborhoods where I’ve lived and the schools that I’ve attended. I’ve seen it in my family. I’ve known adults and kids who’ve done it. I’ve seen it on the news and read about it in books, but I can’t comprehend it. The complete, total, absolute rejection of life. The final refusal to see the worth in anything, or the beauty, or the reason, or the point, or the hope. The willingness to saddle your family with the pain and misery and anger that will now plague them for the rest of their lives.

    It’s a tragic choice, truly, but it is a choice, and we have to remember that. Your suicide doesn’t happen to you; it doesn’t attack you like cancer or descend upon you like a tornado. It is a decision made by an individual. A bad decision. Always a bad decision.
    http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/08/...uZqP5Idohhv.99

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  • Darth Executor
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The sad thing is that he's probably not making anybody laugh in eternity.
    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    Okay, but not everyone found him funny. That's just a matter of taste. I found him rather obnoxious, though I did like some of his serious films. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning the guy -- however, I do think the focus should instead be on the tragedy of it and what that means on a spiritual level.
    I know just the guy to get this conversation started:

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    To me, there seems to be an implication that all people have the same experience post-mortem given that the phrase is generally used for Christians and non-Christians alike... and it seems to carry a great certainty regarding a conscious but inactive intermediate state. Maybe I'm overthinking it, I don't know.
    I agree. It denotes a cavalier attitude towards a very real message of salvation.

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  • KingsGambit
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    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    I don't think there's anything wrong with the saying. How is it "folk religion"? The sentiment is common to pretty much all of Christianity.
    To me, there seems to be an implication that all people have the same experience post-mortem given that the phrase is generally used for Christians and non-Christians alike... and it seems to carry a great certainty regarding a conscious but inactive intermediate state. Maybe I'm overthinking it, I don't know.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I don't like the saying R.I.P. It smacks of what Roger Olson would call "folk religion". (For what it's worth, I don't think it's entirely clear what the intermediate state consists of.)
    I don't think there's anything wrong with the saying. How is it "folk religion"? The sentiment is common to pretty much all of Christianity.

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  • KingsGambit
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    Okay, but not everyone found him funny. That's just a matter of taste. I found him rather obnoxious, though I did like some of his serious films. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning the guy -- however, I do think the focus should instead be on the tragedy of it and what that means on a spiritual level. There are celebrities whose lives ended in the same tragedy, yet they didn't receive this much attention, so I'm just not sure why the accolades are being heaped on him, particularly on this forum.
    I'm not a movie person myself so I didn't have a highly emotional reaction myself, I'm just trying to make sense of the phenomenon you described. I agree with you on that these should certainly be focused on as well and actually it seems to me that this has sparked a number of discussions about not only mental health but also the spiritual implications of suicide.

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    AFAICT it's nothing to do with progressing the gospel but rather having brought joy to people's lives.
    Okay, but not everyone found him funny. That's just a matter of taste. I found him rather obnoxious, though I did like some of his serious films. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning the guy -- however, I do think the focus should instead be on the tragedy of it and what that means on a spiritual level. There are celebrities whose lives ended in the same tragedy, yet they didn't receive this much attention, so I'm just not sure why the accolades are being heaped on him, particularly on this forum.

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  • KingsGambit
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    I'm not sure why he's receiving so many accolades from Christians. I'm not saying he's worthy of reproach, but what did he do to progress the gospel of Christ that deserves so much attention? If anything, it's a testament to the sorry shape of having fame and fortune as defined by the world's standards.
    AFAICT it's nothing to do with progressing the gospel but rather having brought joy to people's lives.

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  • seanD
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    I'm not sure why he's receiving so many accolades from Christians. I'm not saying he's worthy of reproach, but what did he do to progress the gospel of Christ that deserves so much attention? If anything, it's a testament to the sorry shape of having all the fame and fortune one could ever want as defined by the world's standards.

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  • CMD
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    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    I understand the sentiment, but I don't think anyone who commits suicide finds the peace they're looking for.
    From what I gather, R.W. wasn't just someone who was "sad" about some minor and temporary aspect of his life and decided to take the "easy" way out instead of dealing with it. He suffered from some rather severe forms of mental illness that haunted him his whole life.

    As someone who's suffered from depression and anxiety issues for all of my life, I can tell you that at the lowest points, your emotions can strangle your rationality and common sense... and my personal experiences sound like they are nothing compared to what RW suffered with throughout most if not all of his life. It's impossible to know, of course, but he was likely not in a rational state of mind at the end, perhaps even under the (delusional) belief that his absence would actually be a good thing for not just himself, but his friends and family as well.

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  • KingsGambit
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    I don't like the saying R.I.P. It smacks of what Roger Olson would call "folk religion". (For what it's worth, I don't think it's entirely clear what the intermediate state consists of.)

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  • Cow Poke
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    The sad thing is that he's probably not making anybody laugh in eternity.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
    R.I.P.
    I understand the sentiment, but I don't think anyone who commits suicide finds the peace they're looking for.

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  • Apologiaphoenix
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    On The Death of Robin Williams

    R.I.P. Farewell to someone who did so well in making us laugh. http://deeperwaters.wordpress.com/20...obin-williams/

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