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Why Neil DeGrasse Tyson Should Stick To Science

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  • #16
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Agreed. Sagan had a joy and enthusiasm that shown through. And he could speak in simple terms without being obviously condescending. Tyson, OTOH, comes across at times as insufferably smug.
    Not to mention Sagan just came across as being ignorant, when it came to matters of religion. Tyson, on the other hand, seems to be directly dishonest, if anyone remembers that thread I posted about his blatant lies in the first episode of Cosmos about the history of the Church.
    Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

    -Thomas Aquinas

    I love to travel, But hate to arrive.

    -Hernando Cortez

    What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?

    -Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
      An atheist on Amazon once recommended I read Sagan's "Demon-Haunted World."

      I read it and while I disagreed with a lot in it, I found that I liked Sagan's writing and found he would be a likable fellow and not at all like the new atheists of today.
      His wife (Ann Druyan), OTOH...

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        His wife (Ann Druyan), OTOH...
        Ron Nash told a story about when Sagan was dying. According to the story, he was part of a big group of astrophysicists online and many of these people were Christians. One of them in the group said "Carl. I hear you have a big test coming up. I hope you pass." The reply came back "I hope I do too. Please pray for me."

        It's one of those stories that makes me hold out hope.

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        • #19
          I find it incredible that people can believe the universe popped into existence out of nothing, from nothing and for absolutely no reason or cause, and they have no evidence at all - just theories that can't be tested.


          I think it is much harder to believe that then "God did it"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
            Don't see a problem with it, other than the ridiculous hair.
            Yeah, I always kind of liked him too. I better be careful, 'though, I think this might be the fourth thing we've agreed upon.
            βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον
            ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

            אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              I find it incredible that people can believe the universe popped into existence out of nothing, from nothing and for absolutely no reason or cause, and they have no evidence at all - just theories that can't be tested.


              I think it is much harder to believe that then "God did it"

              Announcer:
              Welcome to another exciting edition of Cosmos! Now let's dive right into our most intriguing findings as we unlock the mysteries of our multiverse. So without further ado - Sparko, if you will..

              Sparko: *Ahem* Yeah well basically all this physical stuff out there *Ahem* God did it.

              Announcer: ..And that wraps up another episode! Please join us next week for another exciting edition of Cosmos!

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              • #22
                I always thought Carl Sagan's tussle with Apple (over an internal programming code name, no less) made him look bad:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_I...ith_Carl_Sagan
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  I always thought Carl Sagan's tussle with Apple (over an internal programming code name, no less) made him look bad:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_I...ith_Carl_Sagan
                  I liked their response to the "Cease and Desist" order.

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                  • #24
                    Tyson got pwned by philosopher Piligucci here

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      I find it incredible that people can believe the universe popped into existence out of nothing, from nothing and for absolutely no reason or cause, and they have no evidence at all - just theories that can't be tested.


                      I think it is much harder to believe that then "God did it"
                      It would probably be easier to understand if you actually got right what they believe.
                      I'm not here anymore.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by LaplacesDemon View Post
                        Tyson got pwned by philosopher Piligucci here
                        LostSheep just linked me to it. Well done by Pigliucci, though it applies to way too many scientists. Tyson just happens to be the most visible at the moment.
                        I'm not here anymore.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                          It would probably be easier to understand if you actually got right what they believe.
                          I do.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Scrawly View Post

                            Announcer:
                            Welcome to another exciting edition of Cosmos! Now let's dive right into our most intriguing findings as we unlock the mysteries of our multiverse. So without further ado - Sparko, if you will..

                            Sparko: *Ahem* Yeah well basically all this physical stuff out there *Ahem* God did it.

                            Announcer: ..And that wraps up another episode! Please join us next week for another exciting edition of Cosmos!
                            There's no such thing as a "multiverse", bud.
                            Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

                            -Thomas Aquinas

                            I love to travel, But hate to arrive.

                            -Hernando Cortez

                            What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?

                            -Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Scrawly View Post

                              Announcer:
                              Welcome to another exciting edition of Cosmos! Now let's dive right into our most intriguing findings as we unlock the mysteries of our multiverse. So without further ado - Sparko, if you will..

                              Sparko: *Ahem* Yeah well basically all this physical stuff out there *Ahem* God did it.

                              Announcer: ..And that wraps up another episode! Please join us next week for another exciting edition of Cosmos!
                              Announcer: So what caused the universe to be here?
                              Scrawly: Nothing. There was no cause.
                              Announcer: So how come there is a universe?
                              Scrawly: dunno. It just appeared out of nothing.
                              Announcer: nothing? What do you mean?
                              Scrawly: well some people think it was caused by vacuum fluctuations...
                              Announcer: Isn't vacuum nothing?
                              Scrawly: Yes, that is why I said the universe appeared out of nothing.
                              Announcer: But before the universe was here there wasn't even a vacuum, right? because there was no space, no time, nada.
                              Scrawly: uh... well, strings! yeah strings did it. or maybe branes.
                              Announcer: what evidence do we have of these strings or branes?
                              Scrawly: evidence? how can there be evidence of something outside of the universe that existed before the universe existed? There is no evidence. You just have to have faith and stuff.
                              Announcer: riiiight. I thought you said there wasn't any cause?
                              Scrawly: There isn't. I mean.. well... shut up!!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                Announcer: So what caused the universe to be here?
                                Scrawly: Nothing. There was no cause.
                                Announcer: So how come there is a universe?
                                Scrawly: dunno. It just appeared out of nothing.
                                Announcer: nothing? What do you mean?
                                Scrawly: well some people think it was caused by vacuum fluctuations...
                                Announcer: Isn't vacuum nothing?
                                Scrawly: Yes, that is why I said the universe appeared out of nothing.
                                Announcer: But before the universe was here there wasn't even a vacuum, right? because there was no space, no time, nada.
                                Scrawly: uh... well, strings! yeah strings did it. or maybe branes.
                                Announcer: what evidence do we have of these strings or branes?
                                Scrawly: evidence? how can there be evidence of something outside of the universe that existed before the universe existed? There is no evidence. You just have to have faith and stuff.
                                Announcer: riiiight. I thought you said there wasn't any cause?
                                Scrawly: There isn't. I mean.. well... shut up!!!
                                You do realize I am a Christian and I ultimately agree that God is responsible for the creation of all physical reality, right? However, I do not know the extent of physical reality nor understand the mechanisms involved. I think there very well could be a multiverse, in fact I can't think of any good reason why there wouldn't be.

                                I simply found your comment to be skirting far too close to the God-of-the-gaps and I thought I would call you out on it.

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