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What is Atheistic Presuppositionalism?

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  • What is Atheistic Presuppositionalism?

    Are you really a man of reason?

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    What do I mean by the term? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    I wrote on this before, but in a thread on it today, I realized I needed to expound on this more. You see, in presuppositionalism, the thought is that only if Christianity is true can you really know anything. Christianity being true becomes the start. Anyone who argues against Christianity depends on Christianity to argue against it. Christianity is true because of the impossibility of the contrary.

    Now I thoroughly reject this kind of approach to apologetics. However, I think there is a version of it that atheists do. As you can guess, I call it atheistic presuppositionalism. I want to say at the start that not all atheists are like this. There are some who will happily have what they consider an intelligent dialogue with someone of a theistic bent.

    So how does it work? It starts with the atheist equating his position with the position of reason. I do think an atheist can be a man of reason, but being an atheist does not mean you are a man of reason nor does being a man of reason mean you are an atheist. Being an atheistic presuppositionalist (AP from now on) means that you think there is a necessary corollary between these two.

    So then letís follow the logic. (Or illogic rather.) If you are a man of reason and being an atheist is necessary for that to be true, then anyone else who is not an atheist must not be a man of reason. Therefore, if you are someone who is theistic, then it would follow that you are not rational, but that you are rather irrational.

    Also, if you are a man of reason, then it follows your thinking is sound. Therefore, your opinions should be treated with the utmost authority and are strong positions of reason. Want to say miracles never occur? Thatís got to be rational and anyone who thinks otherwise must be irrational. Therefore, if you hold to Jesus mythicism, you are rational because you are an atheist and the theist is automatically irrational and wrong. The same about any other stance.

    Any dialogue is impossible and you are arguing against reason if you argue against it. If you believe in a miracle, well that proves youíre an idiot. If you think the Bible has any credibility, that further proves youíre an idiot. If you believe in anything even remotely religious, itís just snake oil.

    The sad thing is that this person is very rarely rational. They will not interact with contrary thought because thatís just stupid. Why bother reading the Christian side or the religious side because thatís just stupid. Such a person can never learn. They are caught in an echo chamber. Keep in mind, itís definitely worse I think if a follower of Christ does this since we should be people of the mind.

    I generally avoid arguing with people like this. I am thankful I have friends who are atheists that argue against people like this. If you are an atheist, please do not be like this.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    (And I affirm the virgin birth)

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    It should also point out given several Atheist positions. Some define reason in different ways ie Rationalist argue reason is that which is reasonable that which is against their position. Empiricist would see it as that which is observed or can be known by the five senses. And Nihilist would really see no point in its use though they live their life as though its real. So they have a problem giving an account for it.

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      It should also point out given several Atheist positions. Some define reason in different ways ie Rationalist argue reason is that which is reasonable that which is against their position is irrational. Empiricist would see it as that which is observed or can be known by the five senses. And Nihilist would really see no point in its use though they live their life as though its real. So there is a problem they need something outside of themselves to account for it. Now of course the reason atheists are rational is cause of God's moral law and being created in his image (Genesis 1:26; Romans 1).
      Last edited by ReformedApologist; 09-08-2020, 05:04 PM.

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