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  • Delayed Gratification

    What can gaming teach you about waiting?

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    Is it important to wait? Let’s plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    4,000 pieces of gold.

    That’s a hefty price for a young man playing a game, but in the world of Final Fantasy at the time, that was a lot. Gold pieces were the main currency then and at the area of the game you were in, most battles gave 100-200 pieces. You would have to stay at the inn at times to recover which would cost 100 pieces of gold.

    However, if you wanted to get the silver sword then, you had to pay 4,000 pieces of gold. Only one person likely in your party could equip it. The next most expensive weapon costs 450 gold. Still, there were other expensive items. A bracelet you could equip costs 1,000 and level 3 spells cost 1,500 to learn and level 4 costs 4,000 to learn.

    (By the way, I had to look up the prices of other items aside from spells, but silver sword stuck with me.)

    If you wanted to get this sword, you had to work for it. This kind of thing is something called grinding. Why? Just think of how your going to work can be called the daily grind. Some people do it just to gain experience to level their character up. Either way, most people don’t really like grinding. It’s very repetitive.

    By the way, I haven’t even mentioned buying healing items and deals like that for what can essentially be the first dungeon the party goes through in the game.

    However, if someone engages in this in many a game, they are prepared not only for the next dungeon, but also for several later dungeons. Those who rush through because they just want to get on with the story are more likely to suffer and in the end, have to do their own form of grinding still when they keep encountering an obstacle they can’t get past and grinding can be much harder later on in a game.

    Okay. This is interesting, but what has this to do with Christianity and apologetics?

    As I thought about it, it came to mind that this is a lesson in delayed gratification. Consider this. How many problems in our society come because we do not like to wait? We live in an instant society. Everything we want comes immediately. We can put something in a microwave or get something out of the freezer or drive where we want to go and with the internet, we have instant communication. Paul would love to do in the Roman Empire what we can do today.

    In some ways, that can be fine, but in others, if we think we have to wait for something, then we will suffer in the end for it often.

    Let’s start with money where this started. How many people are in debt today not because they had to buy an expensive item like a house or needed emergency surgery that was really expensive, but because of out of control credit card debt? How many people just buy items constantly and don’t really think about the price?

    I considered that my early habits in gaming came to influence my early thinking with money. I learned the value of money there and to this day, I make it a point to have money in the bank and be light with my spending. Because of that, when I do want to splurge, I normally can without much difficulty.

    Recently, a friend gave me a pass to the World War II Museum here in New Orleans. I only had to pay for parking. When I was done going through the museum, I got to the gift shop which had books. I bought a couple of them there. It cost me some naturally, but I was able to handle it. This also after having a month where I had to go to the doctor twice for a really bad sinus infection after the conference, the second being a follow-up, and I currently have no health insurance.

    Still, I have money in the bank and my money in savings I haven’t even had to touch since moving to New Orleans. I pay my bills responsibly and I use plenty of programs to get free Amazon gift cards and to get deals when I do have to go out into town. My parents were always frugal with money, but I think my experience in gaming where I had to save up to buy things and make sure I always had enough taught me just as much.

    Not only that, but I realize that some of my money comes from donors. Thus, I want to make sure I honor the money that is given on my behalf. If you want to become a supporter of me financially, which is greatly appreciated, then you can do so here.

    This also works in other areas of our life. Our country has a problem with obesity and most of us are eating not because we are hungry, but because we are bored. We also don’t want to wait, and why should we? We can get fast food which normally isn’t good. I think we all have experienced the event of sitting on a couch or chair watching something or playing a game and just snacking while there. We don’t move much, we exercise little, and what do we have as a result? Obesity.

    Finally, what about sex? Who wants to actually have to wait until you’re married? People who went to school with my parents and get divorced are now living together before marriage. In their day in school, that was definitely the exception. Today, it is the norm.

    We live in a world of one-night stands and a hook-up culture and why? Because why should we have to wait? It’s just sex. Not a big deal. Right? We say this in an age of single parents, unplanned pregnancies, STDs, and ultimately a miasma of meaningless hanging around us. The sexual revolution has been a disaster.

    However, the option left is waiting and we don’t like that. Why have to wait? If you want something, get it now.

    Maybe we should return to what I learned so long ago in Final Fantasy. It was hard to work and work and wait before I went into the dungeon in making sure all my characters had the best equipment and spells, but you know what? When I did that, we did much better than everyone else and were more prepared not just for that dungeon, but for every other later dungeon. Also, if I needed to grind again to buy better items, I did it again.

    Patience is a virtue we don’t really have today, but we definitely need it. How many of our problems in our society could be dealt with better if we would just learn to wait? How much of what we go through would we be better prepared for if we just waited?

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    (And I affirm the virgin birth)
    Is it important to wait? Let’s plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out. 4,000 pieces of gold. That’s a hefty price for a young man playing a game, but in the world of Final Fantasy at the time, that was a lot. Gold pieces were the main currency then and at the area of … Continue reading Delayed Gratification

  • #2
    I have zero patience, instead I substitute raw stubbornness.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #3
      When I played the AD&D gold box games, you could transfer PCs from one game to the next, often at a higher level than starting out fresh with each game. I would craft my party for the first game with an eye toward its final composition in the last one, playing at the hardest setting and deliberately seeking out all the side adventures to maximize my XP. At the end of the game, a dual class level 17 ranger/30 mage came in quite handy.
      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom

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      • #4
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        When I played the AD&D gold box games, you could transfer PCs from one game to the next, often at a higher level than starting out fresh with each game. I would craft my party for the first game with an eye toward its final composition in the last one, playing at the hardest setting and deliberately seeking out all the side adventures to maximize my XP. At the end of the game, a dual class level 17 ranger/30 mage came in quite handy.
        We actually have some of us that come and play D&D together regularly at seminary.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          When I played the AD&D gold box games, you could transfer PCs from one game to the next, often at a higher level than starting out fresh with each game. I would craft my party for the first game with an eye toward its final composition in the last one, playing at the hardest setting and deliberately seeking out all the side adventures to maximize my XP. At the end of the game, a dual class level 17 ranger/30 mage came in quite handy.
          When I used to play (and did again on a full Neverwinter Nights campaign last Summer), I make it a point to do every single side quest, but that's not due to being patient but rather knowing I'd get a lot more doing it that way. I never missed any opportunity for getting more xp[1], gp[2] and goodies

          I actually get a kick looking through my inventory and gp reserve at the end of a game. The player/s generally could buy a small kingdom.



          For other old farts such as myself but who think of "Asteroids" or "Frogger" when they think of video games.

          1. experience points. in most games by increasing your "experience" (usually through completing missions/tasks or fighting/killing something) you increase in levels which makes your character better/stronger in various ways

          2. gold pieces. money. you buy stuff with it from lodging, bribes, gear (both mundane and not) etc. much like irl.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            When I used to play (and did again on a full Neverwinter Nights campaign last Summer), I make it a point to do every single side quest, but that's not due to being patient but rather knowing I'd get a lot more doing it that way. I never missed any opportunity for getting more xp[1], gp[2] and goodies

            I actually get a kick looking through my inventory and gp reserve at the end of a game. The player/s generally could buy a small kingdom.
            Generally, by the end of each game, I'd have enough loot that I couldn't carry any more, even with a couple girdles of giant strength (in the Pool of Radiance sequence, you lost everything at the start of Curse of the Azure Bonds and Secret of the Silver Blades).

            I may have to fool around with PoR/CotAB again; there's one side battle in the second one I never managed to beat (it's not supposed to be beatable, but I think I can manage it if I can get that far before using the Dust of Disappearance; it's really tough getting past an early battle with neo-otyughs when the party is not yet well equipped without it, however).
            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom

            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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            • #7
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Generally, by the end of each game, I'd have enough loot that I couldn't carry any more, even with a couple girdles of giant strength (in the Pool of Radiance sequence, you lost everything at the start of Curse of the Azure Bonds and Secret of the Silver Blades).

              I may have to fool around with PoR/CotAB again; there's one side battle in the second one I never managed to beat (it's not supposed to be beatable, but I think I can manage it if I can get that far before using the Dust of Disappearance; it's really tough getting past an early battle with neo-otyughs when the party is not yet well equipped without it, however).
              I played those games on PC. I wouldn't mind getting to play them again.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Generally, by the end of each game, I'd have enough loot that I couldn't carry any more, even with a couple girdles of giant strength (in the Pool of Radiance sequence, you lost everything at the start of Curse of the Azure Bonds and Secret of the Silver Blades).

                I may have to fool around with PoR/CotAB again; there's one side battle in the second one I never managed to beat (it's not supposed to be beatable, but I think I can manage it if I can get that far before using the Dust of Disappearance; it's really tough getting past an early battle with neo-otyughs when the party is not yet well equipped without it, however).
                More recent games include special gem bags and scroll cases that act like bags of holding that allow for a lot more space. Weight was only a problem early on in most cases for me. I tended to return to shops a lot to sell everything I could carry (there are various strategies to selling your stuff to maximize gains).




                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  More recent games include special gem bags and scroll cases that act like bags of holding that allow for a lot more space. Weight was only a problem early on in most cases for me. I tended to return to shops a lot to sell everything I could carry (there are various strategies to selling your stuff to maximize gains).
                  I tended to sell stuff a lot at shops; especially early in games, it was practically the only way you could get enough money to get by.
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom

                  Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
                  sigpic
                  I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                  • #10
                    The only game listed here that I've played is Neverwinter Nights, although I have the Enhanced version. It still shows it's age, but I have wanted to play it in a group after some friends bought it for me. My group never got far, so I don't have much of any experience with it. We've been playing a lot of Solasta: Crown of the Magister.

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