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  • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

    If you wish to deal with the mystery of the Incarnation per se,
    Is there any mystery?

    Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
    As I'm actually aware of Christian theology,
    All of it?

    Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
    I personally follow Oriental Orthodoxy in the rejection of the Chalcedonian Definition.
    Really? How interesting.

    Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
    I would also suspect you of not engaging in good faith on any theological topic.
    In what regard am I "not engaging in good faith on any theological topic"? I merely drew attention to the issues within Christianity of attempting to reconcile the ineffable and immanent deity of Judaism [1 Kings chapter 19 verse 11] with Hellenistic beliefs in anthropomorphic deities..
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

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    • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      No. The analogy is entirely apt according to Kenotic theology.
      A nineteenth century theological view which is regarded by a site [often cited by some here] as unbiblical.

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      You do not understand all the variations of belief concerning this matter.
      Why are there [still] variations of belief after 1700 years of established Christianity?

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      As Diogenes noted, the Chalcedonian definition (dual nature) is not accepted across the board. The Oriental church has a differing viewpoint (miaphysite), and Kenotic theology is a third.
      Your above remarks serve to illustrate that since the inception of Christianity there has never been one over-arching definition that is accepted by all believers.

      Hence an orthodoxy of belief could only be enforced by secular or ecclesiastical edict [sometimes in tandem] with penalties [often very severe] for those who dissented.

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      Yes - the man was separate, having abdicated.
      How did this dichotomy come into existence?

      Your notion is only according to one set of beliefs with which other Christians both here and elsewhere would [possibly vehemently] disagree and may even consider heretical.

      We appear to be back to the early fourth century CE.

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      The temporary absence began with the incarnation. The Father and the Holy Spirit still held the reins
      While the Son went off on his own?

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      Your objection here shows that you understand none of the major concepts of the Trinity.
      The Trinity is a later Christological development.

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      No
      So what was in charge? How can a Triune deity which is believed to be consubstantial absent part of itself and still remain one?

      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      It would seem that you don't understand gnosticism either.
      And you do?

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      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
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      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        Dying and resurrected gods are not unique to Christianity.


        The Roman governor was doing his job and keeping order in his province by removing those who directly [or indirectly] threatened Rome's authority. Being acclaimed as, or claiming to be, the Jewish Messiah was a capital offence.


        Just as I thought. You don't have a clue so discussing this topic with you is a waste of time. Begone heretic!

        I am asking tabibito and Diogenes to stop engaging with you since you are only here to derail the topic with your nonsense rabbit trail to nowhere.

        This isn't about who died on the cross but does God have emotions.
        Last edited by Sparko; 01-05-2023, 07:35 AM.

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

          Just as I thought. You don't have a clue so discussing this topic with you is a waste of time. Begone heretic!

          I am asking tabibito and Diogenes to stop engaging with you since you are only here to derail the topic with your nonsense rabbit trail to nowhere.

          This isn't about who died on the cross but does God have emotions.
          What about the emotions displayed by the figure of Jesus of Nazareth? Anger, agony, fear, sympathy, tolerance, kindness?

          Those all seem particularly relevant to later beliefs about that man.
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            What about the emotions displayed by the figure of Jesus of Nazareth? Anger, agony, fear, sympathy, tolerance, kindness?

            Those all seem particularly relevant to later beliefs about that man.
            I already mentioned Jesus. Have you read the thread?

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

              I already mentioned Jesus. Have you read the thread?
              The human being we know as Jesus of Nazareth was not a god and never claimed to be a god. Hence the entire question is premised on later theological speculations about the nature of the Son in relation to the Father.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                The human being we know as Jesus of Nazareth was not a god and never claimed to be a god. Hence the entire question is premised on later theological speculations about the nature of the Son in relation to the Father.
                You are unable to discuss this topic as you are not a Christian and do not accept the Christian baseline beliefs, therefore you are not only wasting our time but your own.

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                • Every time I see the title to this thread I think it says Can God Care Without Emoticons?

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    A nineteenth century theological view which is regarded by a site [often cited by some here] as unbiblical.
                    19th century? The concept was in place prior to Origen

                    Why are there [still] variations of belief after 1700 years of established Christianity?

                    Your above remarks serve to illustrate that since the inception of Christianity there has never been one over-arching definition that is accepted by all believers.
                    If you date the inception of Christianity to the late fourth/early fifth centuries, correct. Though the Bible does record dissenters, so maybe correct anyway.

                    Hence an orthodoxy of belief could only be enforced by secular or ecclesiastical edict [sometimes in tandem] with penalties [often very severe] for those who dissented.
                    Correct (sort of). It is first necessary to get rid of the commissioners and prophets. While they exist, the congregations will not be amenable to secular coercion.

                    How did this dichotomy come into existence?
                    As stated: Logos abdicated (and "transformed to become a human" as Origen phrased it, though he was arguing against the concept.)

                    Your notion is only according to one set of beliefs with which other Christians both here and elsewhere would [possibly vehemently] disagree and may even consider heretical.
                    Kenosis has not officially been considered heretical since Moltmann's time. It is a belief that is grounded in scripture, and requires no rewording of scripture. The meaning of "Logos became flesh" does not have to be reinterpreted, for example. Nor does "Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst." Nor yet, "we do see Him who was made for a little while lesser than the angels, Jesus." The list here is by no means exhaustive.

                    While the Son went off on his own?
                    If being sent could be said to be "going off on his own,"

                    The Trinity is a later Christological development.
                    The Father is God, Logos is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Each is distinct, and God is one. The triune human (body, soul, spirit) is an analogue of God. The late introduction of the term, "trinity," to describe the circumstance does no more than summarise the depiction provided by the Bible.

                    So what was in charge? How can a Triune deity which is believed to be consubstantial absent part of itself and still remain one?
                    Where does "absent part of itself" come from? Logos only ceased to exist as God, he didn't cease to exist, and he remained one with God throughout his life. "One with God" being used in the same sense that applies (or should, anyway) to any saint.

                    And you do?
                    Well enough to know that my beliefs cannot be considered gnostic.

                    The human being we know as Jesus of Nazareth was not a god and never claimed to be a god.
                    Correct, insofar as it goes.

                    Hence the entire question is premised on later theological speculations about the nature of the Son in relation to the Father.
                    No. Paul stated that Jesus was Logos become human, and that Logos had been God until he became human. Jesus now, he at least claimed to have existed before (his incarnation and) before Abraham, and that he would be restored to the glory he had before his incarnation.
                    Last edited by tabibito; 01-05-2023, 05:19 PM.
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