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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
I'm sure that will correct me if I'm wrong, but I read his remark "I know this is just a personal attack" as commenting upon your dig "I might suggest you "get a life"" which it appears isn't the way you took it.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIf some here find difficulty with syntax that is their problem. If they come across words with which they are unfamiliar there are plenty of dictionaries online.
Not where I was educated.
I am tempted to enquire if you have written any academic texts.
Thank you for your honesty.
Plenty of disabled people manage to have quite active social lives.
My emphasis.
You have just admitted that it was:
As I do in yours, namely contradictory statements in the same post.
Have you tried reading? It not only informs it also to helps extend one's vocabulary.
I'm an avid reader, and always have been. I was reading as young as three years old, and my verbal IQ is around 125, with my overall score being 107. Of course that test was taken both while in extreme agony, and many years after my prime. While not all of the terms were retained, I have read dictionaries cover to cover in the past.
*In my case it is no longer "regional", but has spread to my entire body due to further injuries. I don't think the name change away from Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy is useful.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
I'm sure that will correct me if I'm wrong, but I read his remark "I know this is just a personal attack" as commenting upon your dig "I might suggest you "get a life"" which it appears isn't the way you took it.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt's rich that H_A oh so virtuously applauds Brum for his honesty while maliciously misreading him.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
Thanks for adding this evidence to support my claim that most people would read my post as referring to her statement, and not my own.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
You just complained about how communication is the point of these board, yet when I try to point out that your own methods undermine that you just blame everyone else. It is true that communication is a two way street, but you are often not holding up your own end.
So you claim, your posts suggest something rather different.
I have not, I have however read a decent amount of them.
That is in reference to your own "get a life", suggestion, not my own words.
I have one extremely rare condition called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome* that prevents me from doing a lot more than most. I also have a rather extreme case of it. The other disability is ASD, which has made socializing rather difficult even when I wasn't restricted physically. Most of my socializing comes from internet forums and online video games.
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. I think most people would have understood I was referencing your comment to "get a life" under that context. My comment might be less specific, but it is not a contradiction.
Um, no, I didn't. Not as specific as you would like, but it's not a contradiction.
Wow this is condescending.
I'm an avid reader, and always have been. I was reading as young as three years old, and my verbal IQ is around 125, with my overall score being 107. Of course that test was taken both while in extreme agony, and many years after my prime. While not all of the terms were retained, I have read dictionaries cover to cover in the past.
*In my case it is no longer "regional", but has spread to my entire body due to further injuries. I don't think the name change away from Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy is useful.
When asked to provide evidence from academic text you supplied a video and some comments from Pinker, an article in The Atlantic, and a link to a piece of legislation [none which was precisely what I requested]
Your comments then gradually slithered into a post that made personal remarks about me so please save me your protestations that you have not made personal remarks.
As to your comments concerning your precocious reading abilities or your IQ [verbal or otherwise]
Precisely whom are you trying to impress with these possible:
attempts to seem more intelligent than you are
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostFrom where did you obtain that little nugget of nonsense?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostPrecisely whom are you trying to impress with these possible:
attempts to seem more intelligent than you are
Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostOh, the Iron E.jpg
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Your initial remarks to this thread commenced with comments pertaining to academia.
When asked to provide evidence from academic text you supplied a video and some comments from Pinker, an article in The Atlantic, and a link to a piece of legislation [none which was precisely what I requested]
You asked for an overly specific example of academics complaining about such problems in academic texts, and I don't have to play that game. It misses the forest for the trees. However I did give the name of an academic text that dealt with the issue of overly verbose and grandiose language, and how overindulging in it causes problems in communication. You have still chosen to ignore that work as "advice for students", when it was a study on how such language is perceived by others.
Your comments then gradually slithered into a post that made personal remarks about me so please save me your protestations that you have not made personal remarks.
As to your comments concerning your precocious reading abilities or your IQ [verbal or otherwise]
Precisely whom are you trying to impress with these possible:
attempts to seem more intelligent than you are
To clarify, I don't actually think you are trying to seem more intelligent than you are, but I know that the level of precision you demand can be seen that way. I know just how easily it can be seen that way, because people have said the same kind of things about/to me. That I'm a "know it all", or I'm "pretentious", or "trying to seem smarter than I am". I still get remarks like that due to my adept use of language and preference for precision.
*107 is still within average range for an overall score. I also had around 98 for working memory and processing speed, which is below average. If I was trying to make myself seem smarter than I am I would inflate those numbers as well as my average score.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
I said even among academics overly precise and strict language is seen as a barrier to communication, even among their peers. I provided evidence of just that, academics who complained about the opaqueness of other academics. That satisfies the burden of proof of my claim, even if if does not meet the burden of your incredulity The problem of using such specificity applies even more so in a less formal venue such as this.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYou asked for an overly specific example of academics complaining about such problems in academic texts
No I did not.
In response to this:
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostEven among academics overly strict and mechanical definitions are often frowned upon due to their tendency to obfuscate what they are saying.
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Would you care to cite some examples from academic texts?
Given your remark concerning such texts and that:
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
I have however read a decent amount of them.
You should surely have been able to find some examples of the sort of prose with which you take issue.
Hence your remark in this reply:
and I don't have to play that game
Would appear to be nothing more than a diversionary tactic on your part.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYou have still chosen to ignore that work as "advice for students", when it was a study on how such language is perceived by others.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Postoverly verbose and grandiose language
Your posts are increasingly indicative that your remarks were intended to be nothing more than personal remarks [or as you might consider them attacks] something which you consider justifies a defence.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostI know this is just a personal attack,
It appears that I misread your remark and you were in fact referring to my comment [which you apparently "know" to have been such remark].
However, I made the suggestion that you "get a life" in response to a post from your good-self that constituted various criticisms [you might consider them to be attacks] against me.
You do not appear able to entertain the possibility that the post you initially made to me might have been deemed to be just such an attack as those to which you feel you have a right to defend yourself.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYou directly attacked my intelligence with the "have you tried reading" comment, which was a personal attack.
It was not intended as a personal attack
My comment concerning reading was merely a suggestion to try something other than playing video/computer games. Reading widely extends one's knowledge, it also familiarises one with more complex or unusual prose styles, and it extends one's vocabulary.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostWhen attacked like that I am going to defend myself.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostIt's not an attempt to "seem more intelligent" than I am, but merely to point that I am not an idiot, as your snark would suggest you believe me to be.
Once again, what about the posts and various remarks from yourself? You are evidently prepared to make personal remarks but are affronted when you are repaid in kind.
Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostHowever, I shouldn't have bothered since no evidence would ever satisfy your demands. Even if I posted screenshots of the IQ* test results you'd probably just claim they are from someone else's test, or are photoshopped.
To clarify, I don't actually think you are trying to seem more intelligent than you are, but I know that the level of precision you demand can be seen that way. I know just how easily it can be seen that way, because people have said the same kind of things about/to me. That I'm a "know it all", or I'm "pretentious", or "trying to seem smarter than I am". I still get remarks like that due to my adept use of language and preference for precision.
*107 is still within average range for an overall score. I also had around 98 for working memory and processing speed, which is below average. If I was trying to make myself seem smarter than I am I would inflate those numbers as well as my average score.
However, I would suggest that this exchange has run its course and I extend the compliments of the season to you.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIt demonstrates your reluctance to provide evidence in support of an allegation.
Those examples are just the tip of the iceberg with regards to academic texts, much less the statements of academics on the subject in general. The latter of which is the primary subject.
My emphasis
No I did not.
In response to this:
I replied with this: [My emphasis]
Given your remark concerning such texts and that:
My remark regarding academics frowning on overly verbose and grandiose language was not directed at "academic texts" only, nor specifying them. It was about academics themselves seeing such things as hampering effective communication. You are the one who went into overly specific territory regarding academic texts, and I decided against limiting the evidence to only that, because it restricts what is required unnecessarily.
You should surely have been able to find some examples of the sort of prose with which you take issue.
Hence your remark in this reply:
and I don't have to play that game
Would appear to be nothing more than a diversionary tactic on your part.
I asked you for examples from academic texts, not a video, or magazine, or newspaper/website articles. And as you have yet to provide any examples from such texts of what you consider to be:
Your posts are increasingly indicative that your remarks were intended to be nothing more than personal remarks [or as you might consider them attacks] something which you consider justifies a defence.
It appears that I misread your remark and you were in fact referring to my comment [which you apparently "know" to have been such remark].
There is also a difference between a direct personal insult, and a remark that happens to concern what a person is doing.
However, I made the suggestion that you "get a life" in response to a post from your good-self that constituted various criticisms [you might consider them to be attacks] against me.
You do not appear able to entertain the possibility that the post you initially made to me might have been deemed to be just such an attack as those to which you feel you have a right to defend yourself.
To use your own words
It was not intended as a personal attack
My comment concerning reading was merely a suggestion to try something other than playing video/computer games. Reading widely extends one's knowledge, it also familiarises one with more complex or unusual prose styles, and it extends one's vocabulary.
You made a post criticising me [you might again consider such a post to be an attack] and I replied in kind. You took offence and felt you had to "defend yourself" at my comment but seem to have no issue concerning your post which elicited that reply.
Once again your choice of language is noted. I employ "snark" whereas you simply defend yourself.
Again, I will apologize for this line. "However, I shouldn't have bothered since no evidence would ever satisfy your demands. Even if I posted screenshots of the IQ* test results you'd probably just claim they are from someone else's test, or are photoshopped", that one was undeserved and snarky.
Once again, what about the posts and various remarks from yourself? You are evidently prepared to make personal remarks but are affronted when you are repaid in kind.
With regard to all the above and your previous comments on the same subject[s] might I remind you of Rhett Butler's final remark to Scarlett?
However, I would suggest that this exchange has run its course and I extend the compliments of the season to you.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
What has been demonstrated is your inability to accept evidence that doesn't meet your overly specific criteria. Even then, here are some more examples. That study deals with how people with less status use more jargon at the expense of conversational clarity. In other words they use more jargon to make themselves seem more intelligent to their peers. This study deals with "Foggy Prose". This one deals with reasons to reduce or eliminate jargon. This one deals with Epistemic Gatekeeping through the choice of words, syntax, jargon etc.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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