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Is anybody there? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.
Yesterday, I did a discussion with the Mentionables over the situation involving Tyler Vela. This involves an apologist having a deconversion of sorts. I really wanted to speak on this because something that Tyler and I also have in common is that we've both gone through divorce.
Something Tyler wrote on his Facebook about this was talking about the silence of God. Now in all of this, he was praying and memorizing Scripture and doing things like that all the more. Those are good things, but I don't think that addresses really the so-called silence of God.
I saw so-called because a major error of our Christian culture today is the idea that God is always speaking to us on an individualistic basis. Usually, this is said to be done through our emotions. Don't believe me? Just see how many times you hear in a church service talk about being felt led to do something. Now who is leading you in this idea? God. How? Through how you feel.
Does that sound like a recipe for chaos?
How do you know God is leading you somewhere? You feel Him leading you. We also take it further. How do you know the favor of God on your life? You feel it. How do you know God loves you? You have those feelings also.
If we applied this to any other area in our life, it would lead to chaos.
What is one reason we have a major increase in divorce? Because we base our marriages more on feeling in love than on love itself. If you had to divorce your spouse every time you didn't feel love, you would divorce a lot. It's not just there either. I'm sure a mother having to get up at 3 AM for a fussy baby to change a diaper and everything else and knowing she has to be up again in a few hours is not overflowing with love at the thought. Some of you might be, but I'm quite certain you're the exception.
No relationship should be based on your emotions, not even your one with God.
This is not to deny there can be emotions in these relationships, but one should not make a diet out of them. One should enjoy the good ones and work through and understand the sad ones. Every life has its ups and downs. Not even our Lord could escape sadness on this Earth and we have intense pride if we think we are the exception still.
That still doesn't address the problem about the silence. However, we have to start at the beginning and say it cannot be based on your emotions. Otherwise, if you feel the love of God, well God loves you. If you feel that God is distant and not there, well you have to deny that feeling. It becomes an exercise in question-begging. Bad emotions? Not good. Good emotions. Good.
Consider it like the test the Mormon missionaries give you. Do you feel the burning in the bosom? Good emotion. God. Do you not feel it? Then the problem is you.
If we seek that feeling more, then we can be in the case of not that we are seeking God, though we think we could be, and maybe to some degree we are, but we're really seeking a feeling. The confirmation we have found God is that a feeling occurs or something similar. If God doesn't give us that feeling, then He just doesn't care about us.
Let's be clear. Even though I don't think God is obligated to speak to us or to give us feelings, that quiet is still painful. It is hard to feel like even God has rejected you.
In divorce, you are rejected in every way. The biggest analogy I can come up with to a guy feeling rejection in marriage is the way a wife can say "Not tonight, dear. I have a headache." Divorce is a way of not just that rejection one time, but that and every other rejection for life permanently. In every way as a man, you are not the man. You are rejected.
You lose your best friend. You lose your love. You could lose your kids if you have those. You lose your relationships as they were. Sadly, too many times if your friends were other couples, it's hard to have that now.
Loneliness is a major problem. When you go to bed at night, you sleep alone. When you go to a church service, it's other couples that you see and people talk about their families and every instance of seeing that is a little stab to the heart reminding you that you're alone.
The church can be one of the most painful places to go and the worst part is the church is often not very therapeutic. People want to cure your negative feelings instead of just listening to you about them and working through them with you. Everyone at church is expected to be happy and joyful. People often treat Christianity like a neverending adventure of joy.
We also put on our spiritual faces in church. You hear of people who pray for hours and get endless joy from reading their Bible as they learn something new every day. People talk about how God is speaking to them and answering all of their prayers so very specifically.
If you don't have those experiences, well, you're just not a very good Christian.
Also, add in that if you're divorced, too often you are really looked down on. I am thankful I have not experienced this from churches for the most part, but I know I am an exception based on what I hear from others. Even if it was a sin of yours that ended your marriage, you are still in pain. There are many churches that will not let a divorced man in the pulpit. Never mind that a large portion of the New Testament was written by a guy who was a murderer.
Now you get the silence of God on top of that.
No wonder it hurts!
Still, turn back to Scripture. Is God speaking the norm? No. Abraham, the friend of God, had the heavens silent for well over a decade and he's even an exceptional case in God speaking. Those times that God speaks are recorded not because they are normative, but because they are exceptional.
Look at the Israelites with Moses. They actually beg Moses to have God NOT speak to them, and when He spoke, it was not a feeling in their hearts, but a booming voice from the mountain. Moses was the one exception.
If people were really experiencing this regularly, they would not need the prophets. What about the New Testament? We could say the same. What did they need the epistles or apostles for if they had the Holy Spirit just telling them everything? We have taken something exceptional and made it normative because we're just so special.
The idea of the silence of God is the result.
My idea of the love of God for me is not based on my feelings, but based on what He has said in Scripture. The cross and the resurrection tell me God loves me. How do I know I am one of His? Because I am trusting Him and seeking to live a holy life.
These truths are what kept me going in my divorce and still keep me going, even when temptation comes to give up. I'm still battling and I have been told that it could be the only real end of the battle this side of eternity could be remarriage. That's why I'm in therapy over here as well to learn social skills and even the dreaded small talk. I really want to get remarried again and I know I have to work for that.
If you are struggling and experiencing so-called silence, it doesn't mean God is not there. Now I do realize there are some Scripture passages that people use. Isn't God near to the brokenhearted? Doesn't God say if a boy asks for a fish he will get it? God willing, I plan to handle this next time.
In Christ,
Nick Peters
(And I affirm the virgin birth)
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Is anybody there? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.
Yesterday, I did a discussion with the Mentionables over the situation involving Tyler Vela. This involves an apologist having a deconversion of sorts. I really wanted to speak on this because something that Tyler and I also have in common is that we've both gone through divorce.
Something Tyler wrote on his Facebook about this was talking about the silence of God. Now in all of this, he was praying and memorizing Scripture and doing things like that all the more. Those are good things, but I don't think that addresses really the so-called silence of God.
I saw so-called because a major error of our Christian culture today is the idea that God is always speaking to us on an individualistic basis. Usually, this is said to be done through our emotions. Don't believe me? Just see how many times you hear in a church service talk about being felt led to do something. Now who is leading you in this idea? God. How? Through how you feel.
Does that sound like a recipe for chaos?
How do you know God is leading you somewhere? You feel Him leading you. We also take it further. How do you know the favor of God on your life? You feel it. How do you know God loves you? You have those feelings also.
If we applied this to any other area in our life, it would lead to chaos.
What is one reason we have a major increase in divorce? Because we base our marriages more on feeling in love than on love itself. If you had to divorce your spouse every time you didn't feel love, you would divorce a lot. It's not just there either. I'm sure a mother having to get up at 3 AM for a fussy baby to change a diaper and everything else and knowing she has to be up again in a few hours is not overflowing with love at the thought. Some of you might be, but I'm quite certain you're the exception.
No relationship should be based on your emotions, not even your one with God.
This is not to deny there can be emotions in these relationships, but one should not make a diet out of them. One should enjoy the good ones and work through and understand the sad ones. Every life has its ups and downs. Not even our Lord could escape sadness on this Earth and we have intense pride if we think we are the exception still.
That still doesn't address the problem about the silence. However, we have to start at the beginning and say it cannot be based on your emotions. Otherwise, if you feel the love of God, well God loves you. If you feel that God is distant and not there, well you have to deny that feeling. It becomes an exercise in question-begging. Bad emotions? Not good. Good emotions. Good.
Consider it like the test the Mormon missionaries give you. Do you feel the burning in the bosom? Good emotion. God. Do you not feel it? Then the problem is you.
If we seek that feeling more, then we can be in the case of not that we are seeking God, though we think we could be, and maybe to some degree we are, but we're really seeking a feeling. The confirmation we have found God is that a feeling occurs or something similar. If God doesn't give us that feeling, then He just doesn't care about us.
Let's be clear. Even though I don't think God is obligated to speak to us or to give us feelings, that quiet is still painful. It is hard to feel like even God has rejected you.
In divorce, you are rejected in every way. The biggest analogy I can come up with to a guy feeling rejection in marriage is the way a wife can say "Not tonight, dear. I have a headache." Divorce is a way of not just that rejection one time, but that and every other rejection for life permanently. In every way as a man, you are not the man. You are rejected.
You lose your best friend. You lose your love. You could lose your kids if you have those. You lose your relationships as they were. Sadly, too many times if your friends were other couples, it's hard to have that now.
Loneliness is a major problem. When you go to bed at night, you sleep alone. When you go to a church service, it's other couples that you see and people talk about their families and every instance of seeing that is a little stab to the heart reminding you that you're alone.
The church can be one of the most painful places to go and the worst part is the church is often not very therapeutic. People want to cure your negative feelings instead of just listening to you about them and working through them with you. Everyone at church is expected to be happy and joyful. People often treat Christianity like a neverending adventure of joy.
We also put on our spiritual faces in church. You hear of people who pray for hours and get endless joy from reading their Bible as they learn something new every day. People talk about how God is speaking to them and answering all of their prayers so very specifically.
If you don't have those experiences, well, you're just not a very good Christian.
Also, add in that if you're divorced, too often you are really looked down on. I am thankful I have not experienced this from churches for the most part, but I know I am an exception based on what I hear from others. Even if it was a sin of yours that ended your marriage, you are still in pain. There are many churches that will not let a divorced man in the pulpit. Never mind that a large portion of the New Testament was written by a guy who was a murderer.
Now you get the silence of God on top of that.
No wonder it hurts!
Still, turn back to Scripture. Is God speaking the norm? No. Abraham, the friend of God, had the heavens silent for well over a decade and he's even an exceptional case in God speaking. Those times that God speaks are recorded not because they are normative, but because they are exceptional.
Look at the Israelites with Moses. They actually beg Moses to have God NOT speak to them, and when He spoke, it was not a feeling in their hearts, but a booming voice from the mountain. Moses was the one exception.
If people were really experiencing this regularly, they would not need the prophets. What about the New Testament? We could say the same. What did they need the epistles or apostles for if they had the Holy Spirit just telling them everything? We have taken something exceptional and made it normative because we're just so special.
The idea of the silence of God is the result.
My idea of the love of God for me is not based on my feelings, but based on what He has said in Scripture. The cross and the resurrection tell me God loves me. How do I know I am one of His? Because I am trusting Him and seeking to live a holy life.
These truths are what kept me going in my divorce and still keep me going, even when temptation comes to give up. I'm still battling and I have been told that it could be the only real end of the battle this side of eternity could be remarriage. That's why I'm in therapy over here as well to learn social skills and even the dreaded small talk. I really want to get remarried again and I know I have to work for that.
If you are struggling and experiencing so-called silence, it doesn't mean God is not there. Now I do realize there are some Scripture passages that people use. Isn't God near to the brokenhearted? Doesn't God say if a boy asks for a fish he will get it? God willing, I plan to handle this next time.
In Christ,
Nick Peters
(And I affirm the virgin birth)
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