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  • Is Abortion Evangelism

    Should you kill the child for a "greater good"?

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    Why not kill the child and send them straight to Heaven? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    In my systematic theology class this morning, we had a discussion on original sin and at one point, the question came up of why not go ahead and kill babies if they will go straight to Heaven? Now I have thought about this over the years and have a response. I don't want to risk anyone just thinking that I only thought about this briefly for the first time this morning and now I'm shooting out a response.

    The first thought I have on this is that we do evangelism wrong. We have made evangelism all about getting to Heaven. It's a quite wrong-headed goal. It's as if our whole emphasis on marriage was just getting people to the altar. That's important, but it's only the first part. If we don't focus on the purpose of marriage for the new couple, they could wind up worst off than before.

    In the same way, Heaven is what happens when a Christian dies, but that does not mean that that's our sole goal. After all, many of us become Christians at a young age and then live a few decades. What are we doing? Just putting in time until we die?

    "Well we're doing evangelism and spreading the good news."

    Which is the real point of our lives. We are there to bring about the Kingdom of God and look forward to that final fruition of it when we see the marriage of Heaven and Earth. When we emphasize Heaven far too much, we make it that that is the only purpose of life and then everything else in between is just like filler episodes on a TV series that are there to have something to do until you continue the story.

    This means that we need to really improve our doctrine of Heaven as well. Most of us don't have it worked out and honestly, we treat God like He's an afterthought. It's as if you get to go and live in a mansion and have streets of gold and see loved ones again and by the way, God's there too if you're into that kind of thing. For the record also, I'm not saying I described a view of Heaven that I hold, but I recognize it is common in the church.

    The other point I made is that Paul said in Romans 3 that we should not do evil that good may result. There is never a good reason for a purpose to do that which is an evil act. A Christian can hold that God can bring good out of it, but it is still something that is harmful at least for the person who is doing it.

    Abortion is an evil act and whoever does it does destroy the life of an innocent baby and likely harms several other lives, but they also do great damage to their own soul. Because of that, there is no justification for doing it. Abortion is not evangelism, but simply murder.

    We as Christians are to celebrate children and new lives coming into the world. Abortion is anti-thetical to the gospel entirely.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    (And I affirm the virgin birth)
    Why not kill the child and send them straight to Heaven? Let’s plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out. In my systematic theology class this morning, we had a discussion on original sin and at one point, the question came up of why not go ahead and kill babies if they will go straight … Continue reading Is Abortion Evangelism?

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    Abortion violates the first commandment (Gen. 1:28). Further, evangelism is not our purpose in life; not all are called to be evangelists (Eph. 4:11). Heaven is vastly important; you're going to spend all of eternity either there or in hell - but what we do here on earth determines where we'll be for all time. Heaven is also not a destination; it is where we will continue the journey started here. The greatest two commandments, which sum up all the law and the prophets, are to love God will all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. God is a God of love, and by loving we become more like Him; that is a purpose in life I can get behind. Aborting a baby never gives it a chance to love, never gives it a chance to grow closer to God.
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