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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Which is, as Rogue (and I) stated, a theological viewpoint.
Originally posted by tabibito View Post
If I remember rightly Rogue has previously stated that he is more henotheistic than monotheistic. The former is a belief that (some) other gods exist
Originally posted by tabibito View Post, but they are not worthy of consideration.
Originally posted by tabibito View PostEven as late as the fourth century, monotheism was not particularly endorsed by Christian leaders.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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You can cease "mansplaining".
Not strictly. More that other gods are considered to exist but the individual worships just one deity as supreme.
Do his friends here know of his potentially heretical views?
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
It was the appropriate response. He did however also state, "When you write that there is no "Supreme Creator Being" you are expressing a religious opinion."
Originally posted by tabibito View PostI had misunderstood Rogue's position on that one.
Now would you care to answer my question pertaining to the following statement?
Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Even as late as the fourth century, monotheism was not particularly endorsed by Christian leaders.
What evidence are you citing in support of that remark?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Paul's acknowledgement of the existence of other gods is enough to show that the earliest church was not necessarily monotheistic anyway.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
"not particularly endorsed" should have been "not consistently endorsed." Right now, it would take more time than it is worth to sift through all the material to find the references again.
Paul's acknowledgement of the existence of other gods is enough to show that the earliest church was not necessarily monotheistic anyway.
Or is that an excuse?."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Again what evidence are you citing? If you have material to hand - regardless of how long it would to take to "sift through" you must have some idea of what the material is and what it contends.
Or is that an excuse?.ifas you will.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Sifting through would take some hours, perhaps days. Cast that in a negative lightifas you will.
Your excuse does read as somewhat feeble."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Sifting through would take some hours, perhaps days. Cast that in a negative lightifas you will.
Perhaps you can also explain, given this plethora of material in your possession, why [as you have alleged]:
Even as late as the fourth century, monotheism was not particularly endorsed by Christian leaders.
Christians had such issues over a pinch of incense? If as [according to you] they were not strictly monotheistic what was their problem with performing such an act?
Your contention does rather fly in the face of known evidence."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Given your comments "Sifting through would take some hours, perhaps days" would appear to indicate the amount of material in your possession is substantial, I am somewhat surprised that you cannot recall a single author, title, nor even a brief synopsis of any specific article/paper/book that you allege to possess.
Your excuse does read as somewhat feeble.
I think that there is something in Ad Diognetus, and in the writings of Origen but can't be certain.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Make of it what you will, and cast whatever aspersions you will.
I think that there is something in Ad Diognetus , and in the writings of Origen but can't be certain.
Your comment suggests that you have not read a great deal - or at least not retained a great deal - of this material.
Now to my other question, if:
Even as late as the fourth century, monotheism was not particularly endorsed by Christian leaders.
What was the issue with the pinch of incense?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Is that the best you can offer amid this wealth of material you apparently possess? I think you might be pressed to find anything in Diognetus or indeed Origen that condones anything other than Christian monotheism.
Your comment suggests that you have not read a great deal - or at least not retained a great deal - of this material.
Now to my other question, if:
Even as late as the fourth century, monotheism was not particularly endorsed by Christian leaders.
What was the issue with the pinch of incense?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
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Perhaps you can also explain, given this plethora of material in your possession, why [as you have alleged]:
Even as late as the fourth century, monotheism was not particularly endorsed by Christian leaders.
Christians had such issues over a pinch of incense? If as [according to you] they were not strictly monotheistic what was their problem with performing such an act?
Your contention does rather fly in the face of known evidence.
I see that, as usual, you have managed to drag this thread entirely off-topic.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostMonolatry would make a pinch of incense rather problematic.
monotheism was not particularly endorsed by Christian leaders.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI see that, as usual, you have managed to drag this thread entirely off-topic.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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