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  • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    I referred to "one paper "and there is only one. The other two references are to popular articles.
    So you were doing your typical cherry picking and ignoring everything else.

    Typical.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      So you were doing your typical cherry picking and ignoring everything else.

      Typical.
      You confused a paper with two articles.
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        You confused a paper with two articles.
        You falsely claimed that only the paper was offered.

        Dishonest as always.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          You falsely claimed that only the paper was offered.

          Dishonest as always.
          In your first comment:

          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Monotheism, Polytheism, Monolatry, or Henotheism?. 31 pages so I won't post it here. Just follow the hyperlink.

          From a remark before the introduction:

          Israel’s view of God and his relationship to other divine beings in the Hebrew Bible has long been the subject of scholarly debate. The dominant critical consensus since the late nineteenth century holds that Israel’s faith evolved from polytheism or henotheism to monotheism. Passages in the Hebrew Bible that assume the existence of other gods are compared to other passages that put forth the declaration that “there are no other gods besides” the God of Israel as proof of this view. Other scholars who reject this evolutionary paradigm tend to assume passages evincing divine plurality actually speak of human beings, or that the other gods are merely idols. This view insists that “monotheism” must mean that the existence of other gods is denied. Both views are problematic and fall short of doing justice to the full description of Israel’s view of God and the heavenly host in the Hebrew Bible. This article overviews the difficulties of each view and offers a coherent alternative.




          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

          I referred to "one paper "and there is only one. The other two references are to popular articles.
          Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 08-20-2022, 10:39 AM.
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            In your first comment:




            If that was, as you assert, my "first comment" then how do you account for the other two references I cited?

            What led to the emergence of monotheism?

            Monotheism in the Ancient World


            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              If that was, as you assert, my "first comment" then how do you account for the other two references I cited?

              What led to the emergence of monotheism?

              Monotheism in the Ancient World
              It was your first comment citing a paper. Your previous two references were to popular articles.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                It was your first comment citing a paper. Your previous two references were to popular articles.
                The cavil can be permitted. It is still one scholarly source advanced in support of your position as against none at all in support of the contrary argument.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                .
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                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                  The cavil can be permitted. It is still one scholarly source advanced in support of your position as against none at all in support of the contrary argument.
                  It is one paper. It is also by someone who has his own self-evident theological baggage.

                  However, I know from previous exchanges with your good self, that one paper is all it takes for you to consider that complex historical issues have been decided once and for all by that single paper.

                  I am also still waiting for you [or indeed anyone else] to provide some attested historical and contemporary sources that demonstrate that early Christians readily accepted and recognised the validity of believing in other gods.
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                    It is one paper. It is also by someone who has his own self-evident theological baggage.

                    However, I know from previous exchanges with your good self, that one paper is all it takes for you to consider that complex historical issues have been decided once and for all by that single paper.
                    One is not conclusive, but it is more than sufficient to counter none.

                    I am also still waiting for you [or indeed anyone else] to provide some attested historical and contemporary sources that demonstrate that early Christians readily accepted and recognised the validity of believing in other gods.
                    Monolatry - pt 1.jpg

                    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...009.00523_35.x
                    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                    .
                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                    Scripture before Tradition:
                    but that won't prevent others from
                    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                    of the right to call yourself Christian.

                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                    • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                      One is not conclusive, but it is more than sufficient to counter none.
                      From remarks you have made elsewhere I would disagree. One paper is all it takes for you to consider a complex issue resolved by the author of that paper.

                      A review of a book is not what I requested.
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        From remarks you have made elsewhere I would disagree. One paper is all it takes for you to consider a complex issue resolved by the author of that paper.
                        One paper as representative of a number might be. One paper cited with nothing but speculation and personal opinion is sufficient to show that the opposing argument needs to be supported. One paper in opposition to a claim is sufficient to show that an opinion is not unopposed.

                        A review of a book is not what I requested.
                        I have reason to accede to a demand by a person who consistently rejects requests for information substantiating that person's argument?

                        Lemme see now.



                        nope.

                        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                        .
                        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.

                        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                        • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                          One paper as representative of a number might be. One paper cited with nothing but speculation and personal opinion is sufficient to show that the opposing argument needs to be supported.
                          A position you have adopted with regard to one paper on a different thread. And comments from other [far more reputable scholars in their discipline] were ignored by you.

                          You might consider healing yourself!

                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            A position you have adopted with regard to one paper on a different thread. And comments from other [far more reputable scholars in their discipline] were ignored by you.

                            You might consider healing yourself!
                            Well, your claim is laughable, so the is appropriate.

                            Of course, I will reject the claims of scholars when research shows their claims to be deficient: but that is a process that all evidence suggests to be beyond your comprehension.
                            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                            .
                            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                            Scripture before Tradition:
                            but that won't prevent others from
                            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                            of the right to call yourself Christian.

                            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                            • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                              Well, your claim is laughable, so the is appropriate.

                              Of course, I will reject the claims of scholars when research shows their claims to be deficient: but that is a matter that all evidence suggests to be beyond your comprehension.
                              Correction. You will reject any reputable academic whose interpretations and views do not concur with your own. As has been demonstrated by you on several different threads.
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                Correction. You will reject any reputable academic whose interpretations and views do not concur with your own. As has been demonstrated by you on several different threads.
                                And I have carefully detailed the reasons for doing so - a fact that you have been careful to ensure escapes your attention.
                                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                                .
                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                                Scripture before Tradition:
                                but that won't prevent others from
                                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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