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    What are we missing in a list of restrictions?

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    Why this long list? Lets plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Leviticus 18 seems really repetitive. The writer, speaking for God, goes through and lists a number of people one-by-one for the most part, tells who they are, and then says to not try to have sex with them. Many a reader could get confused by all of this. Wouldn’t it just make sense to say “Only have sex with your spouse.”?

    One of the reasons I think this is done this way is because to say sex is the great obsession of our society is an understatement. However, our society is not the exception in this. I remember hearing before that we have even found cave drawings of women with exaggerated proportions. An early form of pornography perhaps?

    There’s no reason to think Hebrew society was any different and especially if you have 70 people go to Egypt and then a few hundred years later even with high child mortality rates there’s a great number of them, we can easily guess how they spent their free time. Not only that, but after the wilderness wanderings and when they get settled in the land, promiscuous behavior is a problem. Heck. While they’re in the wilderness, promiscuous behavior is a problem.

    This is a problem of human nature.

    As a divorced man now, I realize that for the time being for me, sexual activity is off the table. Is that hard? Yep. Do I like it? Not a bit. Is it a temptation for me to want to break the rules? Yes. That can include anything with a woman in person or just watching pornography at home. I still abstain from all of those and sometimes, there can be strong temptations. I have already set up hard rules when I start dating again for how I will behave in certain scenarios.

    This is a hard path to follow. I have no doubt that some people are non-Christians today because they do not want to follow Christianity’s sexual ethic. I am not saying at all that’s right. I will say it makes sense. We all to some extent love sin. That’s why we do it so often.

    Notice something. It’s easy to look at this list and see all the negatives. No list is needed for the positives. God nowhere has to tell the listener “Go and have sex with the wife of your youth.” That doesn’t need to be said at all. There are no restrictions put on the married couple together.

    He’s not opposed to that. He created the system. He designed all the parts. He made all of it to work together. Christians have a status of being seen as anti-sex when we should be seen as the most pro-sex people of all. Unfortunately, we have developed a reputation of being seen as prudes.

    Sex is not evil. The body is not evil. Both of these are good things and God designed them to work the way they do and in a marital unit, to be able to enjoy the gift of sexual intimacy. We should mind the negative rules, but let’s not forget the positives that don’t have to be said here.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    (And I affirm the virgin birth)

  • #2
    Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
    What are we missing in a list of restrictions?

    Link

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    Why this long list? Lets plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Leviticus 18 seems really repetitive. The writer, speaking for God, goes through and lists a number of people one-by-one for the most part, tells who they are, and then says to not try to have sex with them. Many a reader could get confused by all of this. Wouldn’t it just make sense to say “Only have sex with your spouse.”?
    What, you expect the Bible to be reasonably constructed? Simply consider the four accounts of the resurrection. Or the various interpretations of רַע (raʿ) in Isaiah 45:7, which most Bibles translate as "evil"


    One of the reasons I think this is done this way is because to say sex is the great obsession of our society is an understatement.
    So you believe Leviticus was included in the Bible for "our society"?


    However, our society is not the exception in this.
    Then why imply it is?


    There’s no reason to think Hebrew society was any different and especially if you have 70 people go to Egypt and then a few hundred years later even with high child mortality rates there’s a great number of them, we can easily guess how they spent their free time. Not only that, but after the wilderness wanderings and when they get settled in the land, promiscuous behavior is a problem. Heck. While they’re in the wilderness, promiscuous behavior is a problem.

    This is a problem of human nature.
    Yeah, "human nature." The nature god gave us.



    Notice something. It’s easy to look at this list and see all the negatives. No list is needed for the positives. God nowhere has to tell the listener “Go and have sex with the wife of your youth.” That doesn’t need to be said at all. There are no restrictions put on the married couple together.
    I assume then that mutual masturbation as well as oral and anal sex are approved activities.



    He’s not opposed to that. He created the system. He designed all the parts. He made all of it to work together. Christians have a status of being seen as anti-sex when we should be seen as the most pro-sex people of all. Unfortunately, we have developed a reputation of being seen as prudes.
    "Christians . . . should be seen as the most pro-sex people of all" Why? Almost every case of sex censorship in the USA no matter what object, was/is driven or at least backed by Christians.



    Sex is not evil. The body is not evil. Both of these are good things and God designed them to work the way they do and in a marital unit, to be able to enjoy the gift of sexual intimacy. We should mind the negative rules, but let’s not forget the positives that don’t have to be said here.
    How about masturbation before marriage?


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    Last edited by Storm Warning; 02-25-2022, 01:37 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Storm Warning View Post
      What, you expect the Bible to be reasonably constructed? Simply consider the four accounts of the resurrection. Or the various interpretations of רַע (raʿ) in Isaiah 45:7, which most Bibles translate as "evil"



      So you believe Leviticus was included in the Bible for "our society"?



      Then why imply it is?



      Yeah, "human nature." The nature god gave us.




      I assume then that mutual masturbation as well as oral and anal sex are approved activities.




      "Christians . . . should be seen as the most pro-sex people of all" Why? Almost every case of sex censorship in the USA no matter what object, was/is driven or at least backed by Christians.




      How about masturbation before marriage?


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      You seem to have an obsession.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        You seem to have an obsession.

        About what?


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Storm Warning View Post
          About what?
          Go through your posts and make a wild guess.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Go through your posts and make a wild guess.
            Normally, I would guess it to be about sex, but that's the subject of the thread so any response dealing with sex would be expected and hardly be regarded as an obsession. So, ya got me. But that's alright . . . On with the show

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