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  • Happy Liberal Passover!

    Where was the love?

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    How shall we celebrate June? Let’s plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    When Autism Awareness Month started in April, I ordered some bracelets that say Autism Awareness on them and started wearing them. For you, my readers, I blogged on an insider’s perspective on what it’s like to have Aspergers, a subset of Autism. I did an interview on the topic for a Christian podcast as well.

    I barely remember seeing one ad, I think on Hulu, about Autism Awareness.

    Yesterday was June 1st, the start of Gay Pride Month.

    Already, the day before Words With Friends 2 has a theme going on this week about gay pride with a bonus yesterday if you played the word “pride” and today if you play the word “trans.” I saw WatchMojo released a video on top LGBTQ+ characters in video games and I am sure more such vids are coming. I saw ads from companies like LinkedIn and others celebrating. I saw numerous people on Facebook posting messages for Gay Pride Month.

    Now these businesses and people have a right to do what they want with their business. However, where was this support for the Autism community? After all, if we say we care about the people involved, does this mean that most companies today don’t care about people on the spectrum? I don’t want to think that, so perhaps there’s something else going on.

    Have you seen what happens if you disagree with the LGBTQ community? You get blacklisted and “cancelled” and often sued. Is it a shock then that so many businesses are putting up rainbow images? Imagine if we changed Exodus 12 to this idea.

    And the LGBTQ community said, “And we will pass through your social media accounts, and when we see the rainbow avatar, we will not destroy, but if we come to any business account that does not have a rainbow account, we will bring all our forces on you to show you are against diversity and inclusion and you’re a bigot and we will destroy you in our fury.”

    Keep in mind that a few years ago, these were the people telling us we need to be tolerant. As is expected, when such people get into power, tolerance is not a virtue that is cared about anymore. It was useful for the time, but you can be sure there won’t be tolerance for evangelical Christians and others who disagree, except perhaps Muslims since we don’t want to be killed.

    So as this Liberal Passover goes on, other communities can be expected to be ignored as is common. I didn’t even see this much last month when it was for Asians and Pacific Islanders. Of course, that’s also because Asians likely won’t sue you if you say nothing about them.

    So then for all those businesses who are treating this month like it’s the most awesome thing ever, where was the “love” when it was the month for Autism? Where was the celebration of diversity and inclusiveness? After all, I think it is pretty firmly established that we’re born this way. I don’t think many of you want to go with the idea that vaccines cause Autism since we have heard enough condemnation in Covid about the Anti-Vax community.

    So let’s see. We are born this way and we have a known disability and we’re not even asking for pride. The month for April is not Autism Pride Month. It is Autism Awareness Month. I do celebrate that I am on the spectrum, but I know it’s not because of anything that I did so pride isn’t fitting. What criteria do we not fit that we get people to talk about our month?

    Once again, as a Christian, while I do oppose homosexual behavior, I also support the freedom businesses have to do what they want. If you want to support Gay Pride Month, that is your choice, and if you don’t want to support Autism Awareness Month, that is also your choice. At the same time, if someone doesn’t want to support a business for their choices, that is also their choice. That’s the way freedom works after all.

    I just would like to have some consistency and I would delight in hearing from businesses. Why is this month something you want to shout out about, but April was met with cold silence? Is it hatred or disapproval of the autistic community? Are we just not worth it? Why the silence?

    I think I already know the answer and it’s the one I gave above, but if I’m wrong, let me know.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    (And I affirm the virgin birth)

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    I am angered that they choose to use the rainbow as their "logo", a symbol God gave mankind as a sign of his covenant with mankind. They are twisting it to promote sin.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      I am angered that they choose to use the rainbow as their "logo", a symbol God gave mankind as a sign of his covenant with mankind. They are twisting it to promote sin.
      I am all for sharing it to remind God of His promise to not flood the world again for our sin.

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        This too..
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        On second glance maybe not the most appropriate image

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post

          I am all for sharing it to remind God of His promise to not flood the world again for our sin.
          God doesn't need us to remind Him of anything. The rainbow is to remind us of His Noahic Covenant.


          Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            This too..
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            That guy looks like a human coronavirus. Or at least a male coronavirus.
            Last edited by rogue06; 06-03-2021, 04:56 PM.
            When I Survey....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post

              God doesn't need us to remind Him of anything. The rainbow is to remind us of His Noahic Covenant.
              Yeah. Curious that He didn't say what He meant in Gen. 9, though.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                Yeah. Curious that He didn't say what He meant in Gen. 9, though.
                It is God recognizing His commitment to His covenant, not merely recollection on His part. Which He doesn't need. And again, those words are for our benefit, so WE recognize His commitment to His covenant.


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                • #9
                  And to think this what our soldiers died for so that they could have those rights.

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                  • #10
                    On the note of autism awareness, I suspect one reason that isn't being widely celebrated corporately is because there is so little agreement about how it is best publicly represented. The most common symbol used is the puzzle piece, but I have seen several autistic people describe it as a "hate symbol". It makes sense that companies would want to back out of that territory altogether given how hotly it's contested.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      On the note of autism awareness, I suspect one reason that isn't being widely celebrated corporately is because there is so little agreement about how it is best publicly represented. The most common symbol used is the puzzle piece, but I have seen several autistic people describe it as a "hate symbol". It makes sense that companies would want to back out of that territory altogether given how hotly it's contested.
                      A big reason for the dislike of the "puzzle piece" as a symbol for autism awareness has to do with Autism Speaks* and how they portray autism and autistic people. Given how the symbol is sometimes used, i.e. with a piece missing from the person, I can understand why it is disliked.

                      Probably the option I've seen most proposed was Autistic Gold since the chemical symbol for gold is Au and that gold is rare and valuable. I'm worried it might be an overcorrection to the stigma associated with autism to suddenly using a symbol that seems to put autism on a pedestal.

                      *One of their commercials seems more like they are trying to prepare the way for eugenics with respect to autistics than advocate for autistic people as they claim to do.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                        A big reason for the dislike of the "puzzle piece" as a symbol for autism awareness has to do with Autism Speaks* and how they portray autism and autistic people. Given how the symbol is sometimes used, i.e. with a piece missing from the person, I can understand why it is disliked.

                        Probably the option I've seen most proposed was Autistic Gold since the chemical symbol for gold is Au and that gold is rare and valuable. I'm worried it might be an overcorrection to the stigma associated with autism to suddenly using a symbol that seems to put autism on a pedestal.

                        *One of their commercials seems more like they are trying to prepare the way for eugenics with respect to autistics than advocate for autistic people as they claim to do.
                        Another criticism I've heard with regards to the symbol itself is that it seems childlike, and some adults find it difficult to relate to. Makes sense to me.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                          Another criticism I've heard with regards to the symbol itself is that it seems childlike, and some adults find it difficult to relate to. Makes sense to me.
                          Out of the many criticisms I've seen of it, that wasn't one of them. The criticisms I have heard are the ones I mentioned. Some don't like that it makes autistic people into a "puzzle" to "solve". Given the stigma autism has now, and the eugenics type attitude towards autism some have, I don't blame anyone for disliking it for that reason at all.

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                          • #14
                            I'd like to add that one thing that gives me pause about my theory above is that the LGBTQ+ movement is splintered as well. They have plenty of internal debates as well; is it acceptable for police to participate? What is the role of straight people? How is intersectionality to be considered? Generally speaking, this doesn't come up when businesses throw up the rainbow flag, probably because the LGBTQ+ activists themselves *are not the main audience*. For example, 29 out of the 30 teams in Major League Baseball have a Pride Game. The one team that doesn't (Texas Rangers) has been getting a fair amount of flak online over it. I would bet anything the majority of people piling on are heterosexual.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #15
                              Shouldn't we be using Tweb's "rainbow" font in celebration of LGBTTTQQIAA...M-O-U-S-E month?

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