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  • On Josh Duggar

    My thoughts on this evil.

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    What are we to make of this wickedness? Let’s plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Josh Duggar is connected with a celebrity Christian family. Unfortunately, that puts him in a spotlight to be what a Christian is meant to be and sadly, he is definitely not. We could grant some understanding with having a problem with pornography. I am not justifying that, but many men struggle with porn today and if they are repentant and seeking to change, we should be working with them and showing them grace. Sadly, Josh Duggar was doing more. He was also accused of molesting his sisters and now, child porn has been found on his computer.

    Now when I first heard about child pornography, I thought it was likely teenage girls or something of that sort. No. We mean actual children. Children who are toddlers and some younger. Children who are nowhere near puberty. What do you say about a man who is sexually aroused by that?

    Not only that, he had Covenant Eyes on his computer and yet found a way to bypass it. He was also involved on using the dark web to get his fix. This is a man who knew what he wanted and was willing to do anything underhanded to get it. Please think about that. This man sought out means to get his fix of children.

    His wife I understand is still standing by him. I understand that divorce is often viewed as a great evil in the church, but there are some evils that are worse. This man is unsafe to be around, especially with children in the house that are the age of the children that he was viewing on the internet. She definitely needs to be open to this possibility. Fortunately, she is at least scared to be alone with him.

    Rachael Denhollander issued a powerful Twitter series of posts on the topic. You can read them here. Let’s also spend some time then talking about what a girl is worth, which is the title of her book, and the way wives are sometimes portrayed in Christian marriage.

    Women are sometimes blamed for the fall of men. Even if we go to the very first case, Adam and Eve, Eve did indeed give Adam the fruit, but it was Adam who willfully partook of it. Eve didn’t hold him down and shove it down his throat.

    Suppose I am somewhere where a woman does everything she can to seduce me. Suppose it’s really a place that would normally be considered safe and I have been following good protocol to stay safe. This woman could do everything she can to seduce me, even stripping naked in front of me. She is responsible for that behavior definitely, but who is responsible for how I respond?

    Me and only me.

    Some women get the idea that if they dress a certain way, they are responsible for the fall of men around them. Now to be fair, a woman should be aware of how she dressed in the world. There are women who do dress in a way to advertise themselves in a way that is not appropriate, especially for a Christian woman. Many women don’t. A woman might pick an outfit out at the store just because it feels good on her and she’s not aware of how it looks in the eyes of a man.

    However, a man cannot control what the women in his life do. He can only control what he does. Men need to learn that self-control regardless. Yes. Your wife might not be in the best state of mind and you might have to go without sex for a time. While a woman should not without cause deprive her husband as there is a mutual duty in marriage, if there is something going on with a physical condition or something of that sort, a man needs to be understanding.

    For a woman who is not married, you never need to give yourself to a man before you marry him. If he won’t love you unless you give yourself to him, then he doesn’t really love you. He loves something you can do for him. What is a girl worth? A lifetime commitment.

    Also ladies, if your husband is using porn, take action. If he is willing to work on it, be gracious and offer to work with him, but let it be understood you will not share him with pornography. Get him into a program like Celebrate Recovery and make sure he has friends who will hold him accountable. Be a partner in the journey.

    Also, it’s worth pointing out that women can be involved in pornography as well. The same would apply in reverse. More and more women are struggling with pornography today.

    For all of us, it’s always advisable to do our best to avoid being in sexually compromising situations. Being someone with a public image, I try to be especially careful. Unless the woman is related to me somehow, I won’t be alone with another women be it a restaurant table or in a car or on an elevator. Is that because of the woman? No. It’s because of me. I know beautiful women are extremely tempting for me and my thinking is if you think you are above a sin, you are far more likely to fall to it.

    This is also appropriate on social media as well. I have women who are friends, but I try to be careful what I will talk about. Those of us who are Christians should be striving to live lives that are above suspicion. It would be a blessing to me if my intellectual opponents could look at me and say, “I don’t believe what he believes at all, but I do think he does try to live out what he believes and has that character.”

    Also to those skeptics, none of this disproves Christianity at all. Josh Duggar’s sin does not show that God does not exist or that Jesus didn’t rise from the dead. It shows that Christians, or claimed Christians, can be evil and hypocrites. None of us needed to be told that. We all know it. You want to condemn this as wicked behavior? You get no complaint from me.

    For the rest of us, this is the danger of our Christian culture. We saw this with Ravi Zacharias. All of us who are in the public eye should be able to say to any challenge of our moral character to go ahead and investigate it. There’s a saying attributed to Benjamin Franklin that goes “Our critics are our friends. They show us our faults.”

    I also recently had a friend in ministry message me asking if I had two months to teach on a specific topic for apologetics purpose, what would I choose. Without hesitation, I said sex and marriage. I was told he wanted two months worth and I said that would be two years worth. Most Christians do not have a biblical worldview of either and our young people especially get the message of the world for at least six days and the one day we have to teach them normally, we don’t.

    Meanwhile, pray for this family. They definitely need it.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    (And I affirm the virgin birth)

  • #2
    We had a family - a husband and wife and EIGHT children - attending our Church for a while.

    My wife, whose spiritual gift is discernment, kept telling me that 'something him is off'. She couldn't elaborate, but said he just gave her the creeps.
    As they became more and more involved in the church, we noted it was the wife and kids, but not so much the dad.

    I actually went to him once, asking if there were any areas of the church in which he'd like to be involved, or to serve. (I do that with all new people)

    He looked at me rather coldly, and said, "I'm just here for my wife and kids".

    My wife was increasingly concerned about his... I don't know what... enough that she decided to check on the sex offender website.
    His name was there - multiple incidents, no details listed.

    Very shortly after that, they disappeared -- we didn't say anything to them, but they just vanished.

    My son-in-law, the police lieutenant, referred to them as "the Duggers".
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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    • #3
      Being sexually attracted to babies and toddlers is just not something I will ever be able to wrap my noggin around.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Being sexually attracted to babies and toddlers is just not something I will ever be able to wrap my noggin around.
        There has got to be a special section of hell...
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          There has got to be a special section of hell...
          Not to sound trite, but I have to imagine it would be something like the scene with Hitler and the pineapples from the utterly forgettable (aside from that scene) movie Little Nicky

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            I don't know how stupid someone has to be to download child pornography knowing the FBI is actively looking for people doing it.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              I don't know how stupid someone has to be to download child pornography knowing the FBI is actively looking for people doing it.
              And once they do it, it's like it's addictive, and they can't stop. They might be able to get away with it once or twice, but YOWZA..... it seems to be a steady stream, and you can't NOT get noticed!
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                And once they do it, it's like it's addictive, and they can't stop. They might be able to get away with it once or twice, but YOWZA..... it seems to be a steady stream, and you can't NOT get noticed!
                And as they say even the smartest criminal only needs to get unlucky (or for the police to get lucky) once.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  And as they say even the smartest criminal only needs to get unlucky (or for the police to get lucky) once.
                  It always amazed me when we used to do "sting" operations years ago, that, when caught, the criminal would get really mad and say "I KNEW that's what this was!!!!"

                  Remember "Bait Car"? How many times did they, as they were driving off, mention something like "I sure as !$#!%$!Q hope this isn't that $#!%!% bait car !#!%$%".
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    It always amazed me when we used to do "sting" operations years ago, that, when caught, the criminal would get really mad and say "I KNEW that's what this was!!!!"

                    Remember "Bait Car"? How many times did they, as they were driving off, mention something like "I sure as !$#!%$!Q hope this isn't that $#!%!% bait car !#!%$%".
                    Apparently there was somebody on that "catch a predator" show that got caught twice.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      It always amazed me when we used to do "sting" operations years ago, that, when caught, the criminal would get really mad and say "I KNEW that's what this was!!!!"

                      Remember "Bait Car"? How many times did they, as they were driving off, mention something like "I sure as !$#!%$!Q hope this isn't that $#!%!% bait car !#!%$%".
                      I think it was with a group of friends I was watching the latter with who kept swearing up and down that was illegal entrapment.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                        Apparently there was somebody on that "catch a predator" show that got caught twice.



                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Being sexually attracted to babies and toddlers is just not something I will ever be able to wrap my noggin around.
                          I think it’s perverted and I think that pedophiles know it’s perverted and I also believe they know they are doing harm to children. They just do not care about anything but themselves. Pedophilia is perhaps the ultimate form of narcissism
                          A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                          George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Catholicity View Post

                            I think it’s perverted and I think that pedophiles know it’s perverted and I also believe they know they are doing harm to children. They just do not care about anything but themselves. Pedophilia is perhaps the ultimate form of narcissism
                            A sociopathic narcissist. They can use others for their pleasure regardless of any consequences to the one they use.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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