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  • Autism Awareness Month Introduction

    Welcome to our world.

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    What does this month mean? Let’s plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    This month is Autism Awareness Month so I would like to contribute much of this month to what it’s like to be a Christian apologist on the spectrum. I could hold off on any other posts, including book plunges, until next month. It all depends on how the month goes.

    While I am writing from personal experience, I am not a psychologist or a doctor or something of that sort. My experience is my own. Please do not assume that because this is the way that I am, this is the way that someone else on the spectrum will be.

    I do say this is the experience of an apologist on the spectrum, but not everything in my life is apologetics. I will tell how I relate to other areas in my life. How do I relate to the people around me, including friends and family? How do I respond to people I don’t know? What about my personal hobbies apart from doing apologetics?

    I also want to stress that I am listed as high-functioning. There are plenty of people on the spectrum that are what we call non-verbal. As someone who has done live debates and talks on the subject of Christianity, I am definitely not one of them.

    I also need to point out that we live in a victim culture. People seem to delight in being victims. I do give advice on how people who care can do matters differently, but I am not trying to demand that all of society change to meet my needs. That is not realistic.

    Not only that, but I have consistently refused to be a victim. I believe in being an overcomer more than in being a victim of those around me. I do realize that some people need special care and that is something different.

    Also, I am considering doing YouTube videos on this this month. Keep in mind that where I am at now, my microphone and webcam are not hooked up yet so it is my plan to just use my phone. I have never done that before, so we will see how it goes. The other option is if someone wanted to do Zoom interviews with me on this, and yes, I am available for podcasts this month.

    I look forward to how this month will go. We’ll see what all we can cover. I hope you’ll walk out with a new appreciation of the world of Autism and Aspergers.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    (And I affirm the virgin birth)
    Support my Patreon here.

  • #2
    Hi Nick,

    I am so very glad to have found this website and particularly your corner of service here. Especially since you freely express your views as coming from the Autism / Aspergers spectrum. I do have a question for you, since I am a grandmother of a young, mid-teen grandson that is high-functioning also. This grandson is not a believer, and my daughter and son-in-law are raising their sons with an open-ended permission for these boys to more or less "find their own way" in the faith. This is not working. The young boy I am especially concerned about who is autistic is completely cynical about anything to do with religion at all. He is immersed in gaming on his cell phone, and would eagerly turn into a basement recluse if allowed. A pessimistic, sour attitude seems to pervade his entire outlook on life in general. "People suck" is the basic mindset. He is also petrified of the subject of death of any kind. Animal, or human - he goes into complete meltdowns when the "Big D" is brought up. The onset of the whole covid thing has only exacerbated this. His mom has had to go to great lengths to reassure him that his attendance at school will NOT kill his most beloved teacher by infecting him. We are talking gut-wrenching weeping on this subject. He is really phobic about this. And I hope he wouldn't mind if he knew I was mentioning him online, because I do care about my young grandson so very much.

    My question would be, what are some evangelistic tools or approaches that are effective with speaking to Autistic children about their need for a Savior? Especially for a young boy who abhors the very mention of the word "death", which sends him off in a mental tailspin where he can't think reasonably? I know very well that there is no "one-size-fits-all" way to go about this, but if you don't mind sharing, what was it that turned the light bulb on for you? I know all the right "words", but when Autism enters the picture, all those pat "words" just aren't going to cut it. Any suggestions?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 3 Resurrections View Post
      Hi Nick,

      I am so very glad to have found this website and particularly your corner of service here. Especially since you freely express your views as coming from the Autism / Aspergers spectrum. I do have a question for you, since I am a grandmother of a young, mid-teen grandson that is high-functioning also. This grandson is not a believer, and my daughter and son-in-law are raising their sons with an open-ended permission for these boys to more or less "find their own way" in the faith. This is not working. The young boy I am especially concerned about who is autistic is completely cynical about anything to do with religion at all. He is immersed in gaming on his cell phone, and would eagerly turn into a basement recluse if allowed. A pessimistic, sour attitude seems to pervade his entire outlook on life in general. "People suck" is the basic mindset. He is also petrified of the subject of death of any kind. Animal, or human - he goes into complete meltdowns when the "Big D" is brought up. The onset of the whole covid thing has only exacerbated this. His mom has had to go to great lengths to reassure him that his attendance at school will NOT kill his most beloved teacher by infecting him. We are talking gut-wrenching weeping on this subject. He is really phobic about this. And I hope he wouldn't mind if he knew I was mentioning him online, because I do care about my young grandson so very much.

      My question would be, what are some evangelistic tools or approaches that are effective with speaking to Autistic children about their need for a Savior? Especially for a young boy who abhors the very mention of the word "death", which sends him off in a mental tailspin where he can't think reasonably? I know very well that there is no "one-size-fits-all" way to go about this, but if you don't mind sharing, what was it that turned the light bulb on for you? I know all the right "words", but when Autism enters the picture, all those pat "words" just aren't going to cut it. Any suggestions?
      Christ gives us assurance that death is not the end, but the beginning. A transition from mortal to immortal. Maybe Christianity could give him comfort with his obsession?

      O, Death, Where is thy sting?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 3 Resurrections View Post
        Hi Nick,

        I am so very glad to have found this website and particularly your corner of service here. Especially since you freely express your views as coming from the Autism / Aspergers spectrum. I do have a question for you, since I am a grandmother of a young, mid-teen grandson that is high-functioning also. This grandson is not a believer, and my daughter and son-in-law are raising their sons with an open-ended permission for these boys to more or less "find their own way" in the faith. This is not working. The young boy I am especially concerned about who is autistic is completely cynical about anything to do with religion at all. He is immersed in gaming on his cell phone, and would eagerly turn into a basement recluse if allowed. A pessimistic, sour attitude seems to pervade his entire outlook on life in general. "People suck" is the basic mindset. He is also petrified of the subject of death of any kind. Animal, or human - he goes into complete meltdowns when the "Big D" is brought up. The onset of the whole covid thing has only exacerbated this. His mom has had to go to great lengths to reassure him that his attendance at school will NOT kill his most beloved teacher by infecting him. We are talking gut-wrenching weeping on this subject. He is really phobic about this. And I hope he wouldn't mind if he knew I was mentioning him online, because I do care about my young grandson so very much.

        My question would be, what are some evangelistic tools or approaches that are effective with speaking to Autistic children about their need for a Savior? Especially for a young boy who abhors the very mention of the word "death", which sends him off in a mental tailspin where he can't think reasonably? I know very well that there is no "one-size-fits-all" way to go about this, but if you don't mind sharing, what was it that turned the light bulb on for you? I know all the right "words", but when Autism enters the picture, all those pat "words" just aren't going to cut it. Any suggestions?
        If he was open I could talk to him. I'm into games as well after all. Is he open to reading any literature on the topic of religion and specifically Christianity?

        Do you know why he is so cynical?

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        • #5
          Thank you both for commenting...

          I think the cynicism comes from their family having some very negative experiences in a couple mega-churches they used to attend when their boys were very young. My daughter was in tears yesterday talking to me about him. "I can't change what's going on in his head", she said. "Until something switches in there, there's nothing I can say that will help". She is absolutely right about needing something "switched" in his head, and that would be Jesus entering his life. But she, too, is also cynical about the hypocritical religious atmosphere that they came from, so I don't think she realizes that Jesus really is the only hope to get her son out of his gloom-and-doom outlook about virtually everything. Jesus can heal ANY obsession, you are right about that, Sparko.

          Nick, you asked if he reads any literature on religion or Christianity. None at all that I'm aware of. Reading is a grinding chore for him which he avoids at all costs, regardless of the book's theme. He DOES like to help me out with my house renovation and landscape projects and walking my neighbor's dog which he loves, if it is just him and me together. Even though he does plenty of complaining while we are doing it, I don't give him any slack to be lazy, and plenty of encouragement for anything he accomplishes. The special school aide that came to their house for a parent-teacher conference with him asked him what he liked to do for fun. Of all things, he mentioned working with me in yard cleanup, mowing, and shoveling landscape materials as something he enjoyed, so maybe I have a very tiny sphere of influence that I could build on. I've got this really cute video of him using a sledgehammer on breaking up our entire asphalt driveway - which he unexpectedly got a real kick out of doing with me.

          I've got to think out of the box on this one, aside from praying for them, which I do....Maybe if something happens to my husband with his health issues, an opportunity might open up for a conversation with our grandson about our faith. I would love to hear about anyone else's success (or even failure) at evangelism with Autistic young people. They are no different than anyone else in needing a Savior. It is very comforting to read scriptures of how Christ met people at whatever state they were in, and dealt very personally with their own situation and their need of Him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 3 Resurrections View Post
            Thank you both for commenting...

            I think the cynicism comes from their family having some very negative experiences in a couple mega-churches they used to attend when their boys were very young. My daughter was in tears yesterday talking to me about him. "I can't change what's going on in his head", she said. "Until something switches in there, there's nothing I can say that will help". She is absolutely right about needing something "switched" in his head, and that would be Jesus entering his life. But she, too, is also cynical about the hypocritical religious atmosphere that they came from, so I don't think she realizes that Jesus really is the only hope to get her son out of his gloom-and-doom outlook about virtually everything. Jesus can heal ANY obsession, you are right about that, Sparko.

            Nick, you asked if he reads any literature on religion or Christianity. None at all that I'm aware of. Reading is a grinding chore for him which he avoids at all costs, regardless of the book's theme. He DOES like to help me out with my house renovation and landscape projects and walking my neighbor's dog which he loves, if it is just him and me together. Even though he does plenty of complaining while we are doing it, I don't give him any slack to be lazy, and plenty of encouragement for anything he accomplishes. The special school aide that came to their house for a parent-teacher conference with him asked him what he liked to do for fun. Of all things, he mentioned working with me in yard cleanup, mowing, and shoveling landscape materials as something he enjoyed, so maybe I have a very tiny sphere of influence that I could build on. I've got this really cute video of him using a sledgehammer on breaking up our entire asphalt driveway - which he unexpectedly got a real kick out of doing with me.

            I've got to think out of the box on this one, aside from praying for them, which I do....Maybe if something happens to my husband with his health issues, an opportunity might open up for a conversation with our grandson about our faith. I would love to hear about anyone else's success (or even failure) at evangelism with Autistic young people. They are no different than anyone else in needing a Savior. It is very comforting to read scriptures of how Christ met people at whatever state they were in, and dealt very personally with their own situation and their need of Him.
            How is his relationship with his Dad?

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            • #7
              His relationship with his Dad is pretty solid, I think. Aside from the usual teen ranting, I think he does respect his Dad for the most part.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 3 Resurrections View Post
                His relationship with his Dad is pretty solid, I think. Aside from the usual teen ranting, I think he does respect his Dad for the most part.
                That's relieving to hear. That's the main person to work on. The number one way to reach a family for Christ is to reach the Dad.

                Any chance the boy might want to talk to me? Even if it's just casual talk on gaming.

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                • #9
                  Awww, you are a rare, generous soul Nick. Especially since I’m such a raw newbie here that you don’t know from Eve. I can’t guarantee that the fish will nibble, but if you could message me a safe way to contact you, I could give that to him and just see where it goes. I can tell him (and his parents) that I found this really cool guy that contributes regularly to a Christian forum who likes gaming the same as he does. And one that also “gets” the autism thing.

                  This whole covid isolation thing is disastrous for his type of personality that needs to be prodded into relating with other people. One skill he does have is some really creative drawing abilities. And if it’s true that animals recognize a “safe” person, then their rescued cat Oliver who absolutely fawns over my grandson is an indication that there is definitely some salvageable material here. And thank you again for offering, Nick, even if he doesn’t follow through with anything in response.

                  Blessings!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 3 Resurrections View Post
                    Awww, you are a rare, generous soul Nick. Especially since I’m such a raw newbie here that you don’t know from Eve. I can’t guarantee that the fish will nibble, but if you could message me a safe way to contact you, I could give that to him and just see where it goes. I can tell him (and his parents) that I found this really cool guy that contributes regularly to a Christian forum who likes gaming the same as he does. And one that also “gets” the autism thing.

                    This whole covid isolation thing is disastrous for his type of personality that needs to be prodded into relating with other people. One skill he does have is some really creative drawing abilities. And if it’s true that animals recognize a “safe” person, then their rescued cat Oliver who absolutely fawns over my grandson is an indication that there is definitely some salvageable material here. And thank you again for offering, Nick, even if he doesn’t follow through with anything in response.

                    Blessings!
                    Tweb has a "steam group" which is like an area on Steam (a gaming platform that hosts a lot of different games, your nephew most likely already uses it) where people can make friends and find people to play with.
                    https://steamcommunity.com/groups/twebgamers

                    Maybe interest him in joining that, and that would give Nick a place to interact with him?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                      Tweb has a "steam group" which is like an area on Steam (a gaming platform that hosts a lot of different games, your nephew most likely already uses it) where people can make friends and find people to play with.
                      https://steamcommunity.com/groups/twebgamers

                      Maybe interest him in joining that, and that would give Nick a place to interact with him?
                      I didn't know about that, but I could try it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post

                        I didn't know about that, but I could try it.
                        You are one of the Owners of it!

                        steam.jpg

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                          You are one of the Owners of it!

                          steam.jpg
                          Because I just now joined....

                          And even if I had joined years ago, I completely forgot. I hardly ever use Steam.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post

                            Because I just now joined....

                            And even if I had joined years ago, I completely forgot. I hardly ever use Steam.
                            You are the group OWNER, nick. You have always been part of it.


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                            • #15
                              Got it. Thank you both. I will definitely pass this on, and we’ll see what comes of it. If the apostle Paul was “all things to all men” still living on earth today, I bet he would have been a game enthusiast too!

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