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    How can we be more persuasive?

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    Are you getting the message across? Let’s plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Since I live in Georgia, when I turn on YouTube, I will often see political ads. These are pertaining to a coming runoff election in Georgia. What I notice often as a problem with ads is that you simply have a soundbite of about thirty seconds and for whatever party you’re on, that’s not enough to make a case.

    Consider ads against the Democrats. We’re told in them that these people running for Senate will be able to bring about the third term of Obama and continue a socialist agenda. Now if you’re a conservative like me who doesn’t like any of that, that sounds persuasive to you.

    But what if you weren’t? What if you were someone who liked Obama and who likes the idea of socialism? The ad could actually get you to vote the exact opposite way. Unfortunately, there’s no message coming across of “Here’s why this is bad” or “Here’s why this is good.” If it’s anything, it’s a few brief statements and certainly not an argument.

    Memes on the internet are the same way. People who share memes thinking they are convincing arguments are fools. Usually, memes come loaded with presuppositions of what people already think. If you buy into the thought prior, the meme is convincing. If you don’t, it isn’t.

    Now if you have made an argument prior, I’m fine with using a meme as an illustration. I’m also fine with using a meme as a point of humor in an argument. We all know that they can be incredibly funny. What I have a problem with is thinking they are the argument itself.

    We can also do this in our evangelism today. If you go up to someone and just quote the Bible, it’s not going to be fully persuasive. After all, if they believed the Bible, they would be on the path to being a Christian. (I say this because cults will say they believe the Bible as well.) Your preacher’s point might sound persuasive, but to a skeptic, it might not.

    Remember how a few weeks ago I shared how the worship leader at my church said that weapons and items like that had been found at the bottom of a Red Sea in a row? The average layman might have found that convincing. Your average skeptic will not and if he goes home and looks it up or looks it up right there, he could be greatly disappointed.

    Internet atheists do the same thing. An account will be thrown out because it contains miracles and I have never understood the point of going after Christians because they believe that a dead man came back to life or that a virgin gave birth (Which I do affirm). This is part and parcel of Christianity. To make the argument that this is stupid, you need to show that miracles are impossible or go even further and show that there is no God who can do miracles. If you go up to someone who believes in God and tells them their religion includes miracles, why should that be a negative?

    This is one more reason you try to understand what the other person believes. You need to make an argument that depends on what they believe and showing that that is false instead of going with just what you believe. If your ad or meme starts with what you already agree with, it won’t convince at all, except for people who are already convinced.

    This will sadly require work that most people just won’t do. Most people won’t engage on both sides and most people will be persuaded by memes and ads because they are not taking the arguments seriously enough. Don’t be one of those people and you’ll be more persuasive in the end.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters
    (And I affirm the virgin birth)

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    Good points.

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    • #3
      Speaking from outside the USA, connecting "Obama" with "socialism" sounds like an oxymoron. But I realize that's not your main point.

      To make the argument that this is stupid, you need to show that miracles are impossible or go even further and show that there is no God who can do miracles.
      It's generally thought of as sensible to assume that miracles, in the strict sense of the word, "an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency", do not happen as a matter of course in everyday life.

      The burden is not on the skeptic to prove that miracles are impossible, it's down to the believer, to prove that any (even one would do) actually happen. And if they do, if you can prove that, then it's a question of why only the Christian ones are true (presuming you think that) and the many times more in other religions (everything from walking on water to the resurrection) are not.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by John Hunt View Post
        Speaking from outside the USA, connecting "Obama" with "socialism" sounds like an oxymoron. But I realize that's not your main point.

        To make the argument that this is stupid, you need to show that miracles are impossible or go even further and show that there is no God who can do miracles.
        It's generally thought of as sensible to assume that miracles, in the strict sense of the word, "an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency", do not happen as a matter of course in everyday life.

        The burden is not on the skeptic to prove that miracles are impossible, it's down to the believer, to prove that any (even one would do) actually happen. And if they do, if you can prove that, then it's a question of why only the Christian ones are true (presuming you think that) and the many times more in other religions (everything from walking on water to the resurrection) are not.
        If a believer makes a case that a miracle happened, yes, it is up to him to demonstrate it.

        If the skeptic makes the case that all miracle claims are nonsense though, it is up to him to demonstrate it.

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        • #5
          Some of us are eyewitnesses to miracles.

          The one I can attest to involves my cousin. She got breast cancer in the late 90s and then again in the early 2000s. The second time there was nothing the doctors could do. It spread like wildfire throughout her entire body. It was in several major organs and she had a softball-sized tumor on her hip.

          In the end she made her peace and with one of her brothers she set out on a tour of the U.S. to inform her friends and family and to say goodbye. My mother, brother and I were her last stop. At this point she was getting really sick and you could see she was miserable, but determined not to bring everyone down. We enjoyed each others company and said our goodbyes with many tears. She's always been one of my favorites (not just family but people I've known). So nice, so sweet. Always there for others. She became a nurse so she could help and comfort others.

          They left and a week or two later we got a call from her number. Expecting the worse, I really didn't want to answer. But it was her. In that extremely short space of time, while at death's door, she had gone into complete and total remission. 100% cancer free and feeling great.

          Over the years she has shown no signs of cancer. So much so she was quickly taken of the medicine that they typically get. This winter it'll be 16 years. She was able to see her three boys grow up, two are married with families of their own, all are doing fine.

          So when anyone asks me if miracles happen, I tell them yes and I've seen one.

          I'm always still in trouble again

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