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A Centurion and a Feast

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Irrespective of the historical accuracy of the account there is no "perhaps" about it. The Roman army had no military presence in Galilee at that point in history. Fact.
    Perhaps.........however if it is not a historical encounter it is all a moot point.

    If it did occur and it was a Jewish centurion then neither the original point in the thread nor the gospel account makes sense. The passage suggests a gentle/pagan and Antipas had gentiles (mercenaries) in his army. The word translated as centurion seems to be a generic for officers in any army. So it seems apparent that, if historical (or even if the creation of Matthew) the 'centurion' had to be a gentile - working for Antipas -for the passage to work. Then again it could have been a Roman on vacation in that lovely area:+}

    What seems to be the case is that the evangelist didn't think it important to state if the centurion was Roman or not.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by thormas View Post

      Perhaps.........however if it is not a historical encounter it is all a moot point.
      I suspect it is not historically veracious. However, considering that some Christians seem to consider this individual was both Gentile and a Roman, the text requires clarification.

      Originally posted by thormas View Post
      The passage suggests a gentle/pagan and Antipas had gentiles (mercenaries) in his army.
      But not Roman military officers.

      Originally posted by thormas View Post
      The word translated as centurion seems to be a generic for officers in any army.
      As noted previously various military title are found in across differing armed forces.


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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        I suspect it is not historically veracious. However, considering that some Christians seem to consider this individual was both Gentile and a Roman, the text requires clarification.

        But not Roman military officers.

        As noted previously various military title are found in across differing armed forces.


        Agreed that it needs clarification although the evangelist's point is still made whether Roman or a gentile with Antipas.

        Not sure what you mean by not Romans officers??

        Agreed but haven't yet found other armies of the day using the title centurion.



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        • #19
          Originally posted by thormas View Post


          Agreed that it needs clarification although the evangelist's point is still made whether Roman or a gentile with Antipas.
          The moral of the tale holds for a religious purpose.

          Originally posted by thormas View Post
          Not sure what you mean by not Romans officers??]
          Not an officer in the Roman army.

          Originally posted by thormas View Post
          Agreed but haven't yet found other armies of the day using the title centurion.
          The Greek in the text is ἑκατοντάρχης [hekatontarchés]. The Vulgate translates it as centurio.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            The moral of the tale holds for a religious purpose.

            Not an officer in the Roman army.

            The Greek in the text is ἑκατοντάρχης [hekatontarchés]. The Vulgate translates it as centurio.
            Yes and the word is translated as centurion (as a generic rather than specifically meaning the Roman officer (from what I read).

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            • #21
              Originally posted by thormas View Post

              Yes and the word is translated as centurion (as a generic rather than specifically meaning the Roman officer (from what I read).
              Indeed, but the Vulgate translation then led to the assumption that the individual in this tale was an officer in the Roman army. Given the location and the situation prevailing at the time, he would not have been.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                Indeed, but the Vulgate translation then led to the assumption that the individual in this tale was an officer in the Roman army. Given the location and the situation prevailing at the time, he would not have been.
                Agreed

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by thormas View Post

                  Agreed
                  Thanks, it's been an interesting run!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                    Thanks, it's been an interesting run!
                    It has, look forward to future discussions and learnings.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by thormas View Post

                      It has, look forward to future discussions and learnings.
                      Indeed. I shall also look forward to it.

                      Go well.

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                      • #26
                        And why would a single centurion require an entire military presence?

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