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The Myth of Christian Martyrdom

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  • #61
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Wasn't it the Protestant raised Henri IV who declared Paris is worth a Mass?
    You have me there - no idea.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by thormas View Post

      You have me there - no idea.
      According to what I have read, Paris was under siege and would not let him enter to take the throne because he was not Catholic - hence his alleged remark.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        I do not consider Dr Moss was attempting to be "controversial". She merely puts forward an academic perspective on the issue.
        Positing a radical new take on something in her field is going to be controversial. It's an excellent way to get recognition - something academics crave.
        Furthermore, it is hardly surprising that Mr McDowell was unsuccessful in his attempts to verify the alleged "martyrdom of the apostles" given that those accounts appear to be little more than Christian pietistic fiction.
        I thought you didn't like sweeping generalisations?
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          Christians were not persecuted by Rome for their religious beliefs. The entire issue was predominantly political.
          False. Religion and politics were intricately intertwined in the period. Your reply sort of misses that, making it largely irrelevant. You're also taking a couple accounts and assuming they apply broadly everywhere in the first couple centuries of the Christian era - that's been passé for quite some time in the field.
          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

          Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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          I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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          • #65
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            Positing a radical new take on something in her field is going to be controversial. It's an excellent way to get recognition - something academics crave.
            It is not her first or only work on the subject.

            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            I thought you didn't like sweeping generalisations?
            You are welcome to produce attested extraneous historical sources that detail how each of these individuals met their ends.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              False. Religion and politics were intricately intertwined in the period. Your reply sort of misses that, making it largely irrelevant. You're also taking a couple accounts and assuming they apply broadly everywhere in the first couple centuries of the Christian era - that's been passé for quite some time in the field.
              Not I suspect in the way you imagine it. Those accounts and other sources make it clear that there was no continuous systematic state organised persecution solely directed at Christians in the second or third centuries.

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