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The Myth of Christian Martyrdom

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I do have a friend, a local judge, who has a swear jar!
    Doesn't the Constitution require that the judge also have an "affirm" jar?
    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

    Beige Nationalist.

    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
      Nah. 'E don't like me cos I mock 'im and his stupid animations.
      In all seriousness why should I move my topic elsewhere?

      Furthermore, reading his blog review on this book, Holding has a tendency to be economical with the actualité when it suits him.
      "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        In all seriousness why should I move my topic elsewhere?

        Furthermore, reading his blog review on this book, Holding has a tendency to be economical with the actualité when it suits him.
        More like that he doesn't suffer imbéciles gladly.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #34
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          More like that he doesn't suffer imbéciles gladly.
          Reading Holding's blog review on this book, he has a tendency to be economical with the actualité when it suits him.
          "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            Nah. 'E don't like me cos I mock 'im and his stupid animations.
            You are afraid; I understand that.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              Directly? Virtually nothing.
              What does Moss say about Apostle Paul being in Rome?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                What does Moss say about Apostle Paul being in Rome?
                Why not just read Moss for yourself?
                "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                  You are afraid; I understand that.
                  I am not afraid of an individual like Holding. He is of a type I have encountered many times over the years.

                  However, it is his site and he previously did not like my posting to it and asked me to leave.

                  I therefore do not consider any comment I might make on that site would be overly welcomed by him.
                  "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    More like that he doesn't suffer imbéciles gladly.
                    I have just noticed you wrote the French version of imbeciles. I suspect you do not know the comment "economical with the actualité" to which I was referring.
                    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      I have just noticed you wrote the French version of imbeciles. I suspect you do not know the comment "economical with the actualité" to which I was referring.
                      I'm familiar with several variants include those employed by Burke and Twain

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        I do not consider Dr Moss was attempting to be "controversial". She merely puts forward an academic perspective on the issue.

                        Furthermore, it is hardly surprising that Mr McDowell was unsuccessful in his attempts to verify the alleged "martyrdom of the apostles" given that those accounts appear to be little more than Christian pietistic fiction.
                        History is often in the eye of the beholder. The accounts were passed down, and only bald speculation can determine that they appear to be "pietistic fiction". An a priori doubt about the historicity of the early Christian era's writings and oral history must feed your speculation.
                        That's what
                        - She

                        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                        Stephen R. Donaldson

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                          An a priori doubt about the historicity of the early Christian era's writings and oral history must feed your speculation.
                          You say that like it's a bad thing. There's no conceivable way to verify any account without beginning from a critical position.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

                            History is often in the eye of the beholder.
                            A rather sweeping generalisation .

                            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                            The accounts were passed down, and only bald speculation can determine that they appear to be "pietistic fiction".
                            Stories do not necessarily constitute historical facts. The various accounts of a Cinderella character may be found in numerous folk tales across the world. Should we assume there is some historical evidence for such an individual?

                            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                            An a priori doubt about the historicity of the early Christian era's writings and oral history must feed your speculation.
                            Let us call it "spin".

                            "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

                              You say that like it's a bad thing. There's no conceivable way to verify any account without beginning from a critical position.
                              The evidence indicates that Christians were not generally persecuted by Rome for their religious beliefs. It was a political issue. However, there are some hilarious accounts of Christians begging to be martyred by Roman officials.

                              Furthermore, Rome regarded individuals congregating for secret meetings as a potentially subversive practice.
                              "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                A rather sweeping generalisation .
                                One made by my daughter's PhD History professor. I'll trust him over you any day.


                                Stories do not necessarily constitute historical facts. The various accounts of a Cinderella character may be found in numerous folk tales across the world. Should we assume there is some historical evidence for such an individual?
                                Has anyone ever died defending Cinderella's historicity?

                                Let us call it "spin".
                                And you have proof it's spin... where?
                                That's what
                                - She

                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                                Stephen R. Donaldson

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