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  • rogue06
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  • Littlejoe
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  • Gary
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    Originally posted by Mikeenders View Post
    Guys Since Gary has come back he is no better. this thread in my opinion has run its course and I apologize for any banter over the last few pages. What he is going to do and has been trying to do now is salvage from his blunders the thread for his purposes by claiming Christians are ducking his challenges which are no real challenges to begin with. No one needs to take any certain position on an issue that is still being researched and has several areas of breaks in data


    I think this thread has run its course and given Gary's penchant for trying to self publish and use other sites for his mission of nonsensicality I'd suggest its a lock time but thats not my call. if you check this character he is all over a few sites trying to get eyes. He's not here to discuss anything. he is only here to leverage the traffic here his site doesn't get.

    Maybe Stein will do his exodus thread but again you have my apologies for back and forths with him. I know what he is about and its all right now about burying his huge blunders and trying to regain footing to claim he has made some point and tell others that as well
    How old are you? Nine? You refuse to defend ONE Exodus date, cut and run, and then ask the mods to kill the discussion.

    You're pathetic.

    Again, it just shows how piss-poor the Exodus claim is: None of you are willing to take a stand by one date, one geographic location, and one set of population numbers... and defend it. In order to hold this tall tale together, you must pick dates and archeology from differing time periods, and reinterpret the text. It is really sad how very desperate all of you are to keep this fable alive.

    Just admit it. You wouldn't admit the story is false if someone invented a time machine and actually took you back to ALL the dates and ALL the geographic locations...and lo and behold...NO MASS EXODUS OF RUNAWAY HEBREW SLAVES!

    The Christian Church waited hundreds of years to admit it was wrong on heliocentricity. I guess it is going to take just as long to get you Christians to finally admit you are wrong about this Bible discrepancy too.

    Jesus believed this nonsensical story.
    Jesus made a mistake.
    Jesus making a mistake means he was a man, not a god.
    Jesus is dead.

    Accept it, get over it, and let's move on.
    Last edited by Gary; 10-12-2015, 04:52 PM.

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  • Cerebrum123
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    Originally posted by Mikeenders View Post
    Guys Since Gary has come back he is no better. this thread in my opinion has run its course and I apologize for any banter over the last few pages. What he is going to do and has been trying to do now is salvage from his blunders the thread for his purposes by claiming Christians are ducking his challenges which are no real challenges to begin with. No one needs to take any certain position on an issue that is still being researched and has several areas of breaks in data


    I think this thread has run its course and given Gary's penchant for trying to self publish and use other sites for his mission of nonsensicality I'd suggest its a lock time but thats not my call. if you check this character he is all over a few sites trying to get eyes. He's not here to discuss anything. he is only here to leverage the traffic here his site doesn't get.

    Maybe Stein will do his exodus thread but again you have my apologies for back and forths with him. I know what he is about and its all right now about burying his huge blunders and trying to regain footing to claim he has made some point and tell others that as well
    http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...-of-the-Exodus

    He started it. Looks like you two should come to agreeable terms, and ask a mod to start the official thread when that's done.

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  • Mikeenders
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    Guys Since Gary has come back he is no better. this thread in my opinion has run its course and I apologize for any banter over the last few pages. What he is going to do and has been trying to do now is salvage from his blunders the thread for his purposes by claiming Christians are ducking his challenges which are no real challenges to begin with. No one needs to take any certain position on an issue that is still being researched and has several areas of breaks in data


    I think this thread has run its course and given Gary's penchant for trying to self publish and use other sites for his mission of nonsensicality I'd suggest its a lock time but thats not my call. if you check this character he is all over a few sites trying to get eyes. He's not here to discuss anything. he is only here to leverage the traffic here his site doesn't get.

    Maybe Stein will do his exodus thread but again you have my apologies for back and forths with him. I know what he is about and its all right now about burying his huge blunders and trying to regain footing to claim he has made some point and tell others that as well

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  • Mikeenders
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    Originally posted by Gary View Post
    Be a good little vermin and go back into your hole, Weasel.
    I don;t think its possible to do a better job of showing how delusional you are attempting to give instructions on this site as to who can and cannot post when you are the only one that has been modded for bad behaviour . Good job

    It is obviously impossible to have a discussion on the Exodus unless you guys specify the dates and locations
    NO its not. go check . there are discussions all over the internet on the eruption of Thera and we can't determine a set date. people discuss things every day that are uncertain. Thats obvious so all you are really doing is giving yourself away again. What you mean is that it is impossible to have a discussion where you can claim for a fact that something is proven wrong when a date is not picked but the problem, oh slow to learn one, that you have with reality is that archaeology and history in this field is ongoing and you CANNOT determine what you wish to with certainty while that reality is in play.

    So what you want - is a way to save face for your recent failures by engaging in discussion where you can CLAIM to have proven the Bible or Christianity wrong by ignoring the reality that the issue is not settled.

    We are just smart enough to see right through you so you are stomping your feet in a tantrum like a little five year old girl because you can't get your way and what you "really really really come on guys"want.

    at least for now, and for me, its till entertaining to see the pony tails bobbing up and down and the funny pouts and tears. Not as adorable as a real five year old girl in a tantrum but it has its points of entertainment
    Last edited by Mikeenders; 10-12-2015, 03:31 PM.

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  • Gary
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    Originally posted by Mikeenders View Post
    More like Herod Agrippa after the worms :)



    You just got beaten again. It doesn't do anyone any benefit to challenge someone who loses so much. Its boring. Get one of your atheist friends you were talking about. Someone who can actually make things interesting. someone, anyone else before we hit page 400 and die of boredom.
    Be a good little vermin and go back into your hole, Weasel.

    It is obviously impossible to have a discussion on the Exodus unless you guys specify the dates and locations of your tall tale.

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  • Mikeenders
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    Originally posted by Gary View Post
    (I sound like Goliath.)

    :)
    More like Herod Agrippa after the worms :)

    Will ANY Christian on your side accept my challenge
    You just got beaten again. It doesn't do anyone any benefit to challenge someone who loses so much. Its boring. Get one of your atheist friends you were talking about. Someone who can actually make things interesting. someone, anyone else before we hit page 400 and die of boredom.

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  • Gary
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    Will ANY Christian on your side accept my challenge to pick ONE date (century) for the Exodus and defend it? (I sound like Goliath.)

    :)

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  • Gary
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    Just as there is a "Kadesh" in Syria, there seems to be two "Kadesh" in the south of the Levant. I recognize Wikipedia is not an authoritative source, but it gives some interesting information about these two sites:

    Kadesh-Barnea is an oasis south of Canaan, west of Arabah and east of the Brook of Egypt.[3] It is 11 days march by way of Mt. Seir from Horeb (Deut 1:2).

    As many as eighteen sites have been proposed as the identification of biblical Kadesh.[4] Part of the confusion may arise from the fact that Kadesh is sometimes mentioned in connection with the Desert of Paran (Num. 13:26) and at other times in connection with the Zin Desert (Num. 20:1).[5] This discrepancy has been noted since the time of the medieval commentators, leading some (e.g. Hezekiah bar Manoah) to seek a reconciliatory model, while others (Abraham ibn Ezra and Nahmanides) have proposed two separate sites being identified as Kadesh.

    A minority of modern scholarship has maintained that there were two sites identified as Kadesh[6]ówestern Kadesh (in the wilderness of Zin) and eastern Kadesh (often associated with Petra, Jordan in the wilderness of Paran). This view seems to be represented by Josephus [7] and Eusebius of Caesarea.[8] Josephus says he recognizes exactly where Miriam is buried and it is by the rock, but he refers to the rock (selah in Hebrew) while writing for the Romans in the lingua franca at the time, which was Greek, and the word for rock in Greek is "petra". The Nabataeans came to Petra in about 400 B.C. knowing it to be an ancient burial ground of caves, and buried their dead on top of the graves used 100 years earlier by the Hebrews.

    However, since 1905 modern Ain el-Qudeirat in the Wadi el-Ain of the northern Sinai has been widely accepted as the location of biblical Kadesh Barnea. Several Iron Age fortresses have been excavated there. The oldest, a small, elliptical structure dates to the tenth century BC, but was evidently abandoned for some time after the first fort's destruction. A second fort constructed during the eighth century BC (probably during the reign of Uzziah) was destroyed during the seventh century BC, most likely during Manasseh's reign. Two ostraca engraved in Hebrew have been recovered there, suggesting the Israelites did indeed occupy this site.[9] However, these Kadesh-Barnea ostraca are dated to the 8th or 7th century B.C.E. and therefore are hundreds of years too recent to be associated with the biblical Exodus.[10]

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadesh_(Israel)

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  • Mikeenders
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    Originally posted by Gary View Post
    Before we go any further, Nick. What date do you pick for the Exodus?

    Nick make him give you a date for the eruption of Thera. When he realizes he can't then we at least will be able to accurately date the eruptions of Gary.

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  • Mikeenders
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    Originally posted by Gary View Post
    The issue is closed that you are a slimy weasel. Anyone who is fair and honest, will see that my error was in assuming that there is one "traditional" date for the alleged Exodus.
    Anyone can scroll back and see that you are lying. You tried to float the same junk about me being on the fringe with a date of 1250 when you hadn't even done the research. Thats dishonest and shows the kind of human being you are. Then in true weasel fashion tried to imply I was lying about my source and quote and that I had conflated two difference sources. Just flip back 2-3 pages dear readers and you will see it with your own eyes. You came screaming and kicking and accusing to the fact you were wrong until you just couldn't anymore and you want brownie points for being FORCED to concede? Not happening.

    Anyone also can see you claiming the issue was settled when we are still discovering and moving back dates. The facts betrayed you,you were wrong, and all your name calling is just you being what no one is surprised at - you being a sore loser.

    The fact that there is evidence of a settlement at Kadesh-Barnea during the twelfth century does not change the fact that if you choose the fifteenth century as your "traditional" date, as you say is your position, there is NO evidence.
    At the moment at that location perhaps not but push things back to the 1400s and 1500s then yeah you have other things to look at - of course you don't knwo that because well you never know anything. You just google and copy and paste

    By the way you poor hapless soul - The argument is that the pottery stretches back hundreds of years further than believed - so as data comes in lol we may even find Kadesh goes back later too

    You are shameful, pathetic slimeball
    .

    You are a running joke and always have been. Theres not a person in this thread that doesn't realize you are lashing out and name calling because you got exposed yet again for not knowing what you were talking about. So please continue to entertain us

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  • Gary
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    Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
    So the evidence given to me about the Scythians was burial sites.

    You know, what I claimed that we had already found and why it is that that is important.

    So Gary's evidence to consider that I hadn't supposedly was the evidence that I already gave.
    Before we go any further, Nick. What date do you pick for the Exodus?

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  • Mikeenders
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    And just to top it all off, Josephus placed Kadesh Barnea in the vicinity of Petra.
    Your going to blow his mind Tab. He just found out that scholars are not as certain as he claimed about dates how is he going to process that they are often uncertain about locations too?

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  • Gary
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    Originally posted by Mikeenders View Post
    LOL. there is no evidence but well there is - oh that was just a technicality.....nothing but jokes from Gary this week. As for Christians all over the map. tell you what? pick a date for The eruption of Thera and prove it. No christian or Bible involved in that and all we have is range of dates over a hundreds years and more. Roughly the same time period too and some of the same issues involved - Affected most of the civilized world at the time and we just don't know . Until more data comes in we won't either. Facts and truth is not your stupid consensus nonsense. you don't just pick a date and vote on it and voila - the issue is closed.


    Meh still would have gotten your head handed to you anyway. Call em...why are they not in here? or did you invite them, they saw you embarrassing yourself and leave without posting? Thats cold hearted.....but hey its atheists we are talking about soo what can you expect??



    That will be the day. Page 391 proves otherwise
    The issue is closed that you are a slimy weasel. Anyone who is fair and honest, will see that my error was in assuming that there is one "traditional" date for the alleged Exodus. The fact that there is evidence of a settlement at Kadesh-Barnea during the twelfth century does not change the fact that if you choose the fifteenth century as your "traditional" date, as you say is your position, there is NO evidence.

    You are shameful, pathetic slimeball. Until you grow at least one testicle and put up a specific date, and defend that date and that date alone, I'm done with you, weasel.

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