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Originally posted by psstein View PostBut Michael Ruse is one of those EVUL accomodationists. Everyone KNOWS science and religion are in deep, irreconcilable conflict!
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Originally posted by Gary View PostJust because someone calls a substance "artificial sperm" means nothing unless they can cause a pregnancy. Once mankind can produce pregnancies without (male) human sperm, I will gladly acknowledge that artificial sperm can create a pregnancy. However, I will still deny that invisible ghost gods can impregnate human virgins with invisible ghost-god sperm, real or artificial.
So you still need to prove that a "holy" ghost exists and that this ghost can produce sperm that causes conception in virgin human females.Attached Files“I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis
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Originally posted by Gary View PostYes, I realize that the source has a bad word in it. I tried to make it a link that wouldn't show the word, but I couldn't figure out how to do it. So my option was to list the source or not list a source, which would have deeply upset Pig.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Gary View PostSo how was Mary impregnated and with what? Magic, invisible, artificial ghost sperm?“I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt deeply upsets Pig that you copy/paste large quantities of rubbish whilst pretending it smells like roses. I'd ask you to find better material, but this thread shows that you lack the discernment necessary to accomplish that.
Does the source argue against Christianity?
It's fair, neutral, intelligent, and rational.
Does it argue for Christianity?
It's by a bunch of deluded brainwashed anti-science wicked bigots.
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Originally posted by Darth Ovious View PostDid you read what he said? He mentioned cloning. It's a good point, a human life can be created through the manipulation of cells alone. Sperm isn't actually needed. I provided it as an example to show you that you were being stupid with your "It's impossible, you can't make life without sex" argument.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostGary's discernment:
Does the source argue against Christianity?
It's fair, neutral, intelligent, and rational.
Does it argue for Christianity?
It's by a bunch of deluded brainwashed anti-science wicked bigots.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostLet's just say a person with a glorified body would have super powers compared to one's present mortal body.
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The molecules in one's body change all the time, so it doesn't really matter that 100% of the molecules in one's glorified body be the same as one's mortal body. Considering one doesn't have the same molecules in one's body now as one had seven years ago...
Since Jesus had recently died, it would make sense that the present cells be transformed in to glorified body cells.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThe molecules in one's body change all the time, so it doesn't really matter that 100% of the molecules in one's glorified body be the same as one's mortal body. Considering one doesn't have the same molecules in one's body now as one had seven years ago...
Since Jesus had recently died, it would make sense that the present cells be transformed in to glorified body cells.
My point is that if one believes that Jesus' original, human body was brought back to life wouldn't that in some sense involve the reanimation (the restoration of life) to the original tissues and organs? If you believe that Jesus' new, divine, resurrected body was not in any way related to the old body, then one can't really say that Jesus was "raised from the dead". His original body was still dead, but his spirit now inhabited a new, divine body.
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Originally posted by Gary View PostIs that your opinion, or do you have a source?
My point is that if one believes that Jesus' original, human body was brought back to life wouldn't that in some sense involve the reanimation (the restoration of life) to the original tissues and organs? If you believe that Jesus' new, divine, resurrected body was not in any way related to the old body, then one can't really say that Jesus was "raised from the dead". His original body was still dead, but his spirit now inhabited a new, divine body.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostHow would we really know what exactly happened? My little technobabble spiel is hypothetical. We don't know for sure how the Resurrection affects the cells and what happens.
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Gary is correct.
If reanimation is taken to be a full restoration to life, reanimation and resurrection are synonymous.
Nor is there any reason to believe in a resurrection of anything other than the ordinary human body that existed prior to Jesus' death.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostGary is correct.
If reanimation is taken to be a full restoration to life, reanimation and resurrection are synonymous.
Nor is there any reason to believe in a resurrection of anything other than the ordinary human body that existed prior to Jesus' death.
Here is how Matt Slick over at CARM describes a bodily resurrection:
I have heard it said that Jesus' physical body died but His spiritual body was raised. If this is so, then does the spiritual body consist of flesh and bones as well as the physical one? It makes no sense. Also, if Jesus did not rise physically, then what happened to His body? Was it dissolved? Was it moved somewhere? There is no Biblical account of what happened to Jesus' body other than that it was raised from the dead. Therefore, His body was raised from the dead.
My concept of resurrection is the same as Slick's. Do you disagree with Slick and me on this definition, Stein? If so, please explain how.
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