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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostChristian3 claiming that "Jesus was using sarcasm" in Luke 13:33 lacks textual evidence because Jesus referred to himself by using "I" then went on saying "for a prophet cannot die outside Jerusalem"
Thanks for your inputs though.
Islam considers John the Baptist a prophet and he died outside of Jerusalem.
Islam considers Muhammad a prophet and he died outside of Jerusalem.
Hakeem, it is way past time for you to tell us what happened to Jesus if He did not die. WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER???Last edited by Christian3; 02-16-2018, 05:17 PM.
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The answer to "How in the world does the bolded portion above negate the possibility of sarcasm?" is that the text of Luke 13:33 does not even indicate sarcasm and also Jesus words in Luke 13:34-35;
"34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostChristian3 claiming that "Jesus was using sarcasm" in Luke 13:33 lacks textual evidence because Jesus referred to himself by using "I" then went on saying "for a prophet cannot die outside Jerusalem"
Thanks for your inputs though.
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Christian3 claiming that "Jesus was using sarcasm" in Luke 13:33 lacks textual evidence because Jesus referred to himself by using "I" then went on saying "for a prophet cannot die outside Jerusalem"
Thanks for your inputs though.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostIn Luke 13:33, Jesus said this in self-reference because Jesus started Luke 13:33 saying "I must walk on today, tomorrow and day after...." then he went to say in the same verse of Luke 13:33 ".... for a prophet CANNOT die outside of Jerusalem" This means Jesus was saying as a prophet I cannot die outside Jerusalem.
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In Luke 13:33, Jesus said this in self-reference because Jesus started Luke 13:33 saying "I must walk on today, tomorrow and day after...." then he went to say in the same verse of Luke 13:33 ".... for a prophet CANNOT die outside of Jerusalem" This means Jesus was saying as a prophet I cannot die outside Jerusalem.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostYes, but they also believe Jesus did not die on the cross. But rather died of old age.
That is the reason I keep asking the resident Muslim what he thinks happened to Jesus and so far he has not answered.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI think it's got an element of sarcasm to it.
The NEB commentary said Jesus was using irony.
I would say about 98% of the Muslims I've spoken to about this believe this interpretation:
Hilali/Khan
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ):
Others think Judas or someone else was crucified instead of Jesus.
A lot of Muslims believe it was Allah who put a resemblance of Jesus on another man. Who else???
The only other Muslims who believe Jesus was crucified are the Ahmadis. Our Muslim here said he is not an Ahmadis.Last edited by Christian3; 02-13-2018, 11:46 AM.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostWhat is your interpretation of Luke 13:33?
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt is now, but it was outside the walls until c. AD 44.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostI talked to a Jewish friend of mine who lives in Israel and he said the place Jesus died is considered a part of Jerusalem.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostRogue06 saying "Christ Himself directly references His death" is true subject to the condition that Jesus made in Luke 13:33 that "I must walk today, tomorrow and the day after for a prophet CANNOT die outside Jerusalem"
AND, so did your prophet Muhammad!!!
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostRogue06 saying "Christ Himself directly references His death" is true subject to the condition that Jesus made in Luke 13:33 that "I must walk today, tomorrow and the day after for a prophet CANNOT die outside Jerusalem"
I think what Jesus was saying is that it is the Sanhendren who only had the authority to condemn someone to death and they are located in Jerusalem.
So what happened to Jesus in your opinion?
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