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Commentary thread - Hakeem vs. Boxing Pythagoras - did Jesus die on the cross?

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  • RumTumTugger
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    Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
    I'm fairly certain he is. I wonder if he has yet realized that I'm not a Christian (not that it really makes any difference to the debate).
    BP you are not allowed to reply to the commentary thread yet wait till after the debate, ok?

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
    I'm fairly certain he is. I wonder if he has yet realized that I'm not a Christian (not that it really makes any difference to the debate).
    Just FYI, the participants in the debates are not allowed to post in the commentary thread until the debate is over.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
    I'm fairly certain he is. I wonder if he has yet realized that I'm not a Christian (not that it really makes any difference to the debate).
    Probably not. Apparently, only Christians believe Jesus died on the cross.

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  • Boxing Pythagoras
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Is he serious?
    I'm fairly certain he is. I wonder if he has yet realized that I'm not a Christian (not that it really makes any difference to the debate).

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  • jpholding
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    When will Hakeem be introducing Cavin's evil twin theory?

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  • One Bad Pig
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    My favorite is Kirsopp Lake's "you've got the wrong grave."

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  • Christianbookworm
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    The swoon theory? Is that the theory that gives Jesus a healing factor ala Wolverine?

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  • mossrose
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Right. The blood starts to separate shortly after the heart stops beating. A large flow of blood would be more likely with a perforation of the distended and thin-walled right atrium or ventricle than the thick-walled and contracted left ventricle.
    The executioners had crucified thousands of people by the time of Jesus' death. They certainly weren't too stupid to not recognize a dead person when they saw one, and that is without the medical knowledge we boast of now.

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  • Cerebrum123
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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
    Blood and serum flowing separately IS a sign that death has occurred. Even the Romans knew that.
    Right. The blood starts to separate shortly after the heart stops beating. A large flow of blood would be more likely with a perforation of the distended and thin-walled right atrium or ventricle than the thick-walled and contracted left ventricle.

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  • mossrose
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    Blood and serum flowing separately IS a sign that death has occurred. Even the Romans knew that.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Is he serious? That was the most strung together bunch of half-proofs I've seen in a while...

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  • Darth Executor
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    He is saying he didn't die at all.

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  • DesertBerean
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    That's just it...he isn't very clear here just what he means...did Jesus die, just not of crucifixion, but rather by the spear? I do assume he, being Muslim, intended to mean Jesus didn't die at all. But he's not clear on that, so IDK.

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  • JonathanL
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    Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
    Is he saying Jesus DID die, just not on the cross but by the spear?
    Originally posted by Hakeem View Post
    Therefore and at the request of the Pilate in Mark 15:44, the Centurion, in addition to the above cumulative above facts, pierced Jesus side with a spear and blood and water flowed from his side in John 19:34 proving that Jesus did not die when keeping in mind that he was on the cross for short period of 9 hours with his legs not broken, while the two crossmates legs were alive until their legs were broken to hasten their death ,and drink given to him to relieve him from pain and make him lose consciousness as explained above.

    Therefore, when he found out from the Centurion, Pilate gave the body according to Mark 15:45.


    With the cumulative facts stated above, I submit to you that Jesus did not die at in the process.

    I think he's trying to argue that Jesus only lost consciousness and that the fact that blood and water flowed from His side when He was pierced by the spear somehow proves that he wasn't dead. How he comes to that conclusion is beyond me though . He seems to be using arguments similar to the ones found in this article:

    http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...e-on-the-cross (Haven't checked the site thoroughly for questionable content, so visit at your own risk).

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