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Commentary Thread: Cerebrum123 & Leonhard regarding Charles Darwin
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Wallace and Charles Darwin are credited with first coming up with the science of evolution. eugenics has been with humanity for all of the known history of humanity. The question is; 'What is the relationship between eugenics and the science of evolution today?'
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostAs I've pointed out before, Alfred Russel Wallace conceived of the theory of evolution independently of Darwin, and would probably be the name most commonly attached to it if he'd more aggressively promoted his findings. And Wallace explicitly condemned eugenics. So in an alternative timeline in which Darwin's ship sank while sailing to the Galapagos, the founder of evolutionary theory would be known for his anti-eugenic stance, and the debate thread wouldn't even exist.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThis is false. Just because the creator of a theory doesn't realise its implications doesn't mean those implications don't exist.
I'm sure that Pasteur and Koch never foresaw that Germ Theory would be cited by the Nazis as the scientific justification for things like the Holocaust.
And I doubt that Newton ever predicted that his gravitational theories would be a cornerstone of modern ballistics resulting in millions of future deaths from firearms, artillery, rockets and missiles.
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostSo Cerebrum's complaints about eugenics being intrinsic to the theory are wrong as well as irrelevant.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIf the Muslims had succeeded in conquering Europe there probably wouldn't be a ToE anyway.
But personally, I'm just glad it's all a moot point; that they did not succeed in conquering Europe.
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Originally posted by square_peg View PostSo Cerebrum's complaints about eugenics being intrinsic to the theory are wrong as well as irrelevant.
Originally posted by SPI'm confident that their scientists would've conceived of and discovered it eventually. Logic and science would've eventually revealed it.
And logic would have done no such thing. ToE is based on observational science - logic doesn't get you raw data. I suspect you are confusing logic with reason here - they aren't always interchangeable. Even so, reason would be on its own - few people wish to commit suicide over bird beaks.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostUm, so what, SP?
If the Muslims had succeeded in conquering Europe there probably wouldn't be a ToE anyway.
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Um, so what, SP? If the Muslims had succeeded in conquering Europe there probably wouldn't be a ToE anyway. So? Neither has anything to do with reality (a good thing in the latter case).
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As I've pointed out before, Alfred Russel Wallace conceived of the theory of evolution independently of Darwin, and would probably be the name most commonly attached to it if he'd more aggressively promoted his findings. And Wallace explicitly condemned eugenics. So in an alternative timeline in which Darwin's ship sank while sailing to the Galapagos, the founder of evolutionary theory would be known for his anti-eugenic stance, and the debate thread wouldn't even exist.
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