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  • #61
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yes, my Church of Christ friends use exactly that to show that - in the Old Testament, there were those instruments, but in the New Testament, there are none listed in worship.

    I like to use the following illustration:

    You're my employee and I instruct you to dig a hole 6 feet deep and 6 feet in diameter.
    After you get started, I come out and yell at you because you are using shovels, a pick axe, a wheelbarrow....
    I never TOLD you to use TOOLS!!!!

    That's pretty much what, in my opinion, this Church of Christ thing is --- an argument from silence.


    By the way --- I actually had a guy argue that HIS New Testament (as printed) included Psalms and Proverbs!
    ha. Yeah. If they were mentioned in Psalms, which are actually songs, then God doesn't have any problem with using instruments. Maybe they weren't mentioned in the NT because we already had a book of songs mentioning instruments. No need to repeat yourself. It was taken for granted.

    But that also means Mossy can't use any modern instruments like piano's or keyboards!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      ha. Yeah. If they were mentioned in Psalms, which are actually songs, then God doesn't have any problem with using instruments. Maybe they weren't mentioned in the NT because we already had a book of songs mentioning instruments. No need to repeat yourself. It was taken for granted.
      I think they weren't mentioned in the NT exactly for the same reason that I didn't tell you to use a shovel and pick axe, etc ---- I trusted you to use your good sense!

      But that also means Mossy can't use any modern instruments like piano's or keyboards!
      As long as she can produce a joyful noise, she's covered!
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        ha. Yeah. If they were mentioned in Psalms, which are actually songs, then God doesn't have any problem with using instruments. Maybe they weren't mentioned in the NT because we already had a book of songs mentioning instruments. No need to repeat yourself. It was taken for granted.
        Because certain instruments aren't mentioned in the NT doesn't mean they aren't permitted.

        But that also means Mossy can't use any modern instruments like piano's or keyboards!
        Well, I never was very good on piano, so, yuh!

        But my church can use 'em all they want (although I've yet to see a keyboard), and you should hear what MelMak can do with a computer!

        He probably has a link in his sig.....


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        • #64
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          I think they weren't mentioned in the NT exactly for the same reason that I didn't tell you to use a shovel and pick axe, etc ---- I trusted you to use your good sense!
          I would have used a backhoe.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            I think they weren't mentioned in the NT exactly for the same reason that I didn't tell you to use a shovel and pick axe, etc ---- I trusted you to use your good sense!
            Uh-huh.


            As long as she can produce a joyful noise, she's covered!
            As long as the song I'm singing is worthy of praising the Lord, I'm covered!


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            • #66
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
              Uh-huh.




              As long as the song I'm singing is worthy of praising the Lord, I'm covered!
              My cousin told me if you don't know the words, just mouth "watermelon" over and over and no one can tell.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                My cousin told me if you don't know the words, just mouth "watermelon" over and over and no one can tell.
                With modern "worship" music, you can just pick one of those 7 or so words and keep repeating that!

                Oh, wait......


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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  I would have used a backhoe.
                  Well, sure, if one were available and you knew how to operate it, there is no restriction. (unless, of course, you had to rent one and weren't authorized to spend money, etc)
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Well, sure, if one were available and you knew how to operate it, there is no restriction. (unless, of course, you had to rent one and weren't authorized to spend money, etc)
                    Too much trouble. I would just use ANFO.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Too much trouble. I would just use ANFO.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                        And that's exactly correct. There is no prohibition in scripture about what instruments can and cannot be used. Every age uses the instruments available.
                        Not necessarily. The Eastern churches have never used instruments in worship (with the exception, IIRC, of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church), even though instruments were available. Some Greek churches have organs in them, but AFAIK they are only used for the staging of religious plays.
                        Our church sometimes uses a full orchestra, sometimes a smaller ensemble, and sometimes only the piano and pipe organ. All are appropriate and all are used in a manner that adds to the music, not overpower it and become just a raucous din.

                        Remember, God is a God of order, not of chaos, and some "music" is pure chaos.
                        Wait, I thought you were just meeting at home, not attending church (well before this whole COVID thing developed)?
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Not necessarily. The Eastern churches have never used instruments in worship (with the exception, IIRC, of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church), even though instruments were available. Some Greek churches have organs in them, but AFAIK they are only used for the staging of religious plays.
                          I didn't say a church had to use instruments, just that there is no prohibition against them.

                          Wait, I thought you were just meeting at home, not attending church (well before this whole COVID thing developed)?
                          Yes. That's what we are doing. We been live streaming for a number of years as well as watching archived sermons. We consider it "our church".


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