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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    Thanks. I think.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #17
      Well I sent the message and it showed she saw it, but no response (been about an hour) so either I scared her off or she is thinking.

      But I do feel better about sending it. It's been bothering me for a few days now. That Holy Spirit fellow can really be a pain sometimes.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Well I sent the message and it showed she saw it, but no response (been about an hour) so either I scared her off or she is thinking.

        But I do feel better about sending it. It's been bothering me for a few days now. That Holy Spirit fellow can really be a pain sometimes.


        You are hereby released, and it's all up to the Holy Spirit! Doesn't that feel great?
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post



          You are hereby released, and it's all up to the Holy Spirit! Doesn't that feel great?
          Not so fast. she responded and said basically she was raised as a baptist but had horrible parents and a terrible childhood. She was baptized at 12 and was 'forced to go to church' - and she prayed to Jesus to help her but he didn't. So very bitter about Christianity.

          I told her my story of an alcoholic father and how I became a Christian at 40. She also asked "what about people who never heard about Jesus, what happens to them" and I told her about Romans 2 and how God will judge them by their conscience and that since we are all sinners that means that if they have done what they know is wrong then they will be judged on that. She is also against "fire and brimstone" idea of hell. I told her that I think Hell is more of a place that God set up to give people who want nothing to do with him exactly what they want: a place without God, like CS Lewis said, a place where the doors are locked from the inside. But that I think that is a very scary place I want nothing to do with, not for me or for her. That I want her to be able to see her brother again.

          That's where it stands now.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

            Not so fast. she responded and said basically she was raised as a baptist but had horrible parents and a terrible childhood. She was baptized at 12 and was 'forced to go to church' - and she prayed to Jesus to help her but he didn't. So very bitter about Christianity.
            Ah, so sad.

            I told her my story of an alcoholic father and how I became a Christian at 40. She also asked "what about people who never heard about Jesus, what happens to them" and I told her about Romans 2 and how God will judge them by their conscience and that since we are all sinners that means that if they have done what they know is wrong then they will be judged on that. She is also against "fire and brimstone" idea of hell. I told her that I think Hell is more of a place that God set up to give people who want nothing to do with him exactly what they want: a place without God, like CS Lewis said, a place where the doors are locked from the inside. But that I think that is a very scary place I want nothing to do with, not for me or for her. That I want her to be able to see her brother again.

            That's where it stands now.
            Well, you're engaged in conversation, and she hasn't slammed the door, so.... good on you.

            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

              Not so fast. she responded and said basically she was raised as a baptist but had horrible parents and a terrible childhood. She was baptized at 12 and was 'forced to go to church' - and she prayed to Jesus to help her but he didn't. So very bitter about Christianity.

              I told her my story of an alcoholic father and how I became a Christian at 40. She also asked "what about people who never heard about Jesus, what happens to them" and I told her about Romans 2 and how God will judge them by their conscience and that since we are all sinners that means that if they have done what they know is wrong then they will be judged on that. She is also against "fire and brimstone" idea of hell. I told her that I think Hell is more of a place that God set up to give people who want nothing to do with him exactly what they want: a place without God, like CS Lewis said, a place where the doors are locked from the inside. But that I think that is a very scary place I want nothing to do with, not for me or for her. That I want her to be able to see her brother again.

              That's where it stands now.
              She responded to you. That's a good start.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                Not so fast. she responded and said basically she was raised as a baptist but had horrible parents and a terrible childhood. She was baptized at 12 and was 'forced to go to church' - and she prayed to Jesus to help her but he didn't. So very bitter about Christianity.

                I told her my story of an alcoholic father and how I became a Christian at 40. She also asked "what about people who never heard about Jesus, what happens to them" and I told her about Romans 2 and how God will judge them by their conscience and that since we are all sinners that means that if they have done what they know is wrong then they will be judged on that. She is also against "fire and brimstone" idea of hell. I told her that I think Hell is more of a place that God set up to give people who want nothing to do with him exactly what they want: a place without God, like CS Lewis said, a place where the doors are locked from the inside. But that I think that is a very scary place I want nothing to do with, not for me or for her. That I want her to be able to see her brother again.

                That's where it stands now.
                Fair winds and following seas
                sigpic1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                  Fair winds and following seas
                  She replied:

                  "I appreciate your concerns, but I do not want to discuss religion or my brother any further. Thank you for your heartfelt words and concerns."


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    She replied:

                    "I appreciate your concerns, but I do not want to discuss religion or my brother any further. Thank you for your heartfelt words and concerns."

                    While that's sad, you did your job.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                      She replied:

                      "I appreciate your concerns, but I do not want to discuss religion or my brother any further. Thank you for your heartfelt words and concerns."

                      I believe this applies...

                      Scripture Verse: Ezekiel 33

                      1 The word of the LORD came to me:
                      2 "Son of man, speak to your countrymen and say to them: `When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman,
                      3 and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people,
                      4 then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not take warning and the sword comes and takes his life, his blood will be on his own head.
                      5 Since he heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning, his blood will be on his own head. If he had taken warning, he would have saved himself.
                      6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.'

                      © Copyright Original Source



                      You "blew the trumpet" and she chose to dismiss it.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        I believe this applies...

                        Scripture Verse: Ezekiel 33

                        1 The word of the LORD came to me:
                        2 "Son of man, speak to your countrymen and say to them: `When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman,
                        3 and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people,
                        4 then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not take warning and the sword comes and takes his life, his blood will be on his own head.
                        5 Since he heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning, his blood will be on his own head. If he had taken warning, he would have saved himself.
                        6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.'

                        © Copyright Original Source



                        You "blew the trumpet" and she chose to dismiss it.
                        I will continue to keep her in my prayers. And who knows? Maybe what we discussed will weigh on her mind or come to her again one day and she will choose to accept Jesus.

                        She did say she was baptized when she was 12, but didn't mention if she actually meant it or did it because her parents 'forced her to'. So she might just be a 'lost sheep' and needs to be led back.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                          I will continue to keep her in my prayers. And who knows? Maybe what we discussed will weigh on her mind or come to her again one day and she will choose to accept Jesus.

                          She did say she was baptized when she was 12, but didn't mention if she actually meant it or did it because her parents 'forced her to'. So she might just be a 'lost sheep' and needs to be led back.
                          I used to be bothered when I knew there was somebody "in the house" when I was preaching, and I was pretty sure they were unsaved, but when "invitation time" came, they didn't respond.

                          My Pastor/mentor told me "you did your job". When you preach (or witness) you are sounding the trumpet, and what they do with it is up to them.

                          That's why I like the motto we use at our Church .... "Share Jesus in the Power of the Holy Spirit and leave the results to God".
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            I used to be bothered when I knew there was somebody "in the house" when I was preaching, and I was pretty sure they were unsaved, but when "invitation time" came, they didn't respond.

                            My Pastor/mentor told me "you did your job". When you preach (or witness) you are sounding the trumpet, and what they do with it is up to them.

                            That's why I like the motto we use at our Church .... "Share Jesus in the Power of the Holy Spirit and leave the results to God".
                            Yeah at the last Tweb convention, our own Teallaura gave us a nice sermon on the last day that I still remember. It was about how our job was not to save people. That's God's job. Our job is to shine the light of the gospel so that the people can see the way. The Holy Spirit takes it from there.

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